On 24 Feb 2010 at 5:15, [email protected] wrote:
> [Platt] > > the essence of the MOQ is NOT contained in MOQ's intellectual level. > > I'm not sure what "the essence of the MOQ is" (I'll leave that to Ham). > But just as "dictionary" is defined in the dictionary & "phrase in English" > > is a phrase in English, the idea of the fourth level is an idea of the fourth > level. > Craig Hey Craig, Pirsig explains what "the essence of the MOQ is" in the following from LC, Note 132: "It (the MOQ) employs SOM reasoning the way SOM reasoning employs social structures such as courts and journals and learned societies to make itself known. SOM reasoning is not subordinate to these social structures, and the MOQ is not subordinate to the SOM structures it employs. Remember that the central reality of the MOQ is not an object or a subject or anything else. It is understood by direct experience only and not by reasoning of any kind. Therefore to say that the MOQ is based on SOM reasoning is as useful as saying that the Ten Commandments are based on SOM reasoning. It doesn't tell us anything about the essence of the Ten Commandments and it doesn't tell us anything about the essence of the MOQ." As for your other points, you seem to presume that the MOQ intellectual level can just as well be described as the "idea level." This is faulty because ideas can be attributed to artistic as well as intellectual endeavors. Further, ideas make up figments of the imagination, hallucinations, myths, dreams, reveries, etc., hardly intellectual processes as normally understood. Finally, ideas have been around since prehistoric times. But, the S/O division, essential to MOQ's meaning, didn't occur until the Greek period, and S/O as a metaphysics (SOM) didn't exist until Pirsig identified it as such in Lila. Regards, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
