dave, u are sounding a little mccarthy like...(theist replacing communist) as i am sure you know - humility is the key that opens the door you know i love ya g
--- On Sat, 27/2/10, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > From: david buchanan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Pragmatically useful Religion > To: [email protected] > Received: Saturday, 27 February, 2010, 9:14 AM > > > dmb said to Ron: > .., there are lots of philosophical reasons for rejecting > theism and it's not just a coincidence that they overlap > with the reasons for rejecting SOM. But apparently there are > people who think theism is somehow a better option than > scientific materialism and because Pirsig rejects scientific > materialism, they imagine they'll find some comfort in the > MOQ, some sympathy for their theism. The philosophical > mysticism might make it look even more tempting to a theist, > but those sections of Lila are actually where we find the > MOQ's most elaborate anti-theistic arguments. I really don't > think it can be done. Given all that, it seems to me that > trying to squeeze an endorsement of theism out of Pirsig's > isn't just incorrect, it's also kinda sleazy. > > > John said: > > You know what's sleazy Dave? That thing you talked > about in a previous post - that "projection" thing that you > alluded to. Demonizing, is another good term. > Construing demons in your own head to have an external > reality in others that you then fight like hell (!) against. > ...I personally have no idea if God really exists apart from > my own ideas, but I do know my own ideas exist. ...Somehow > your reassurance that you know everything there is to be > known on the subject and thus can reject my ideas, > rings hollow to me. If you came across as a little > more intelligent, a little more thoughtful, I'd be inclined > to pay attention, ..But this continual flailing against the > windmills of your own mind would be just boring if it wasn't > so antagonistic. Since it is antagonistic, and directed > against your own self, it's kind of interesting but also a > little pathetic. > > > > dmb says: > > Why sir, I do believe that is the e-mail equivalent of a > temper tantrum. It's a wonder that you could operate a > keyboard, what with all the kicking and screaming and > spitting and flailing your arms about. Jeez. > > I wasn't even talking to you, man. You probably figured I > was talking about you and that's fair enough. I guess you'd > probably count as one who has tried to "squeeze an > endorsement of theism out of Pirsig" but my comments were > directed to Ron and they referred to just about every theist > that ever showed up here. > > I'll take your ranting, raving denial as an admission of > guilt. Obviously, a nerve has been struck by complaints > about theists with an agenda and so I figure you must be one > of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM > protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
