Tjenare Magnus 27 Feb.you gave a "bergpreken" (sermon from the mount:)
> Language is not intellect's hallmark. Intellect depends on it. I.e. > language is the social pattern that intellect is built upon. Take away > the language and the intellectual patterns goes with it, (the Rosetta > stone). It's one the easiest and most visible examples of inter-level > dependency. Language as intellect's building block ...hmmm I once thought so too, but it proves that whole cultures (the Muslim) can have language and "thump books" without making it to the 4th. level. Of course, language is employed by intellect (like Pirsig said) for it's own purpose) but its "carbon" ... hardly. > Ok, yes, I agree that when you read a book, the reasoning used in that > content can be based on social values, intellectual values or some > other type of value. But to do that reasoning in the first place, you > need the intellectual patterns, i.e. the meaning of the words. If you mean "intellect" had to be present for the ancient Israelis to read the "Early books" you are mistaken, neither the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians nor Israelis were of the 4th. level. I know you mean they were intelligent people, but you are hell bent on not seeing the trouble the intelligence-intellect hotch-potch causes. > And no, I don't think you would ever be able to represent a higher > level pattern using a lower level pattern. So even if you think the > MoQ is somehow a higher level, the intellectual level wouldn't have a > clue about how to represent it. THAT is exactly what I speak about in my "Stronghold" post. This discussion is as mired in intellect as the Muslims are in "society". > When you, and Pirsig, talk about the reasoning in the bible or > primitive tribes, you already assume that there is a person that is > *able* to reason at all. I'm more interested in that part and I don't > for a second buy that a human being is just biological. > One lonely human being is still able to think, to handle intellectual > patterns in her brain and reach conclusions that might improve her > lonely life. Pirsig did not speak about "reasoning" regarding the early scriptures, those people just understood written language - like the Neanderthals understood spoken language. Their repective INTELLIGENCE enabled that. I don't know where to place you in the crypto-somists' rank, but never mind you solidly belong there. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
