well john...i digs ya style my man but you havnie helped me much here (but to fair - i don't know if anyone can)
what is the diff between highest quality intellection and 'higher aspect of the 4th level' - aren't they the same thing? one thing we can say for sure about meaning is that it is personal. the world is pregnant with meaning that the individual reveals through his/her engagement with it. i agree with krishnamurti - truth is a pathless land; that is truth evades our efforts to capture it. we cannot grasp and then relate it. we can live it and describe the experience - that is art i think. anyway - i am thinking too much cheers g --- On Mon, 1/3/10, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > From: John Carl <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] meaning > To: [email protected] > Received: Monday, 1 March, 2010, 4:15 PM > gav, > > > > > > highest quality intellection....do you mean art? > > > > > No. But you raise a good point. IMO, art is > also a 4th level patterning. > I like the ole classic romantic split of the 4th. I > think art is of a > "higher" (that is, closer to DQ) aspect of 4th level > mentation and Leonard > Schlain's book about the pre-realization of intellectual > growth in the minds > of artists before it becomes codified in words and math > formulas makes this > relationship clear. As does what's his face, Keats, > Truth and Beauty, ya > know. Art pursues Beauty as Intellect pursues Truth, > but both are different > than social patterning and dominant over it. > > > > > > are you equating truth with beauty/the sublime > > > > doesn't truth belong to the realm of experience? > > > > > > Both truth and beauty belong to experience. > Experience is of two kinds, > your basic left-brain type experience and your basic > right-brain type > experience and of course, the endless combinations and > interpretations of > the two. > > > Long live duality! > > John the truthful (as opposed to Lu the beautiful) > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/3/10, John Carl <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > From: John Carl <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [MD] meaning > > > To: [email protected] > > > Received: Monday, 1 March, 2010, 5:13 AM > > > To a Pirsigian, > > > > > > Truth belongs to the realm of the word. > > > > > > Truth is highest Quality intellection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:47 AM, <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Ron, > > > > > > > > Truth is a feeling that confirms and > harmonizes a > > > person's experience > > > > with her submerged assumptions about how the > world > > > works. > > > > > > > > Just another thought. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Platt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Feb 2010 at 8:42, X Acto wrote: > > > > > > > > > Meaning and truth > > > > > > > > > > One of the best examples of meaning and > truth may > > > be found in an old > > > > > three stooges bit. > > > > > > > > > > Moe, Larry and Curly are hanging > drywall. > > > > > > > > > > Moe: get ta work! > > > > > > > > > > Curly: hey moe! the head of this nail > is on the > > > wrong end > > > > > > > > > > Moe: You idiot!,.. that nail is for the > other > > > wall... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do we mean when we say something > is "true" > > > > > > > > > > Meaning, Aristotle said, is that which > we are > > > prepared to act on. > > > > > > > > > > Socrates to Hippias, that which is fine > and good > > > is that which is useful. > > > > > > > > > > James in Pragmatism speaks of Pragmatic > method as > > > making distinctions > > > > > by virtue of the difference in meaning > that it > > > supplies, if it makes no > > > > difference > > > > > in meaning then it is a false > arguement. > > > > > > > > > > Pragmatic truth is a way to weed out > arguements > > > that have no meaningful > > > > consequences > > > > > in experience. > > > > > > > > > > just some thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > > Archives: > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
