Ron 3 Mar:
Bodvar before > > For the umpteenth time "the SOL" is just an acronym for the > > interpretation that says that the intellectual level is the S/O > > distinction, but this is MOQ's view of intellect. Ron: > which level is MoQ viewing this from? >From its meta-view of course. Bodvar: > > Intellect itself knows no Quality context's so from its internal view > > (i.e. SOM) social value is as you say: subjective, superfluous, > > meaninglesss ..etc. because it is JUST IN PEOPLE'S MINDS Ron: > So how does value enter into the SOL interpretation? you imply an > external view, but from where? there are only four levels of static > definable quality and MoQ which you state is reality. If reality is > indefinable, one can't really say anything about MoQ, anything that is > said is static pattern and s/o. Value enters by the Reality=Quality=DQ/SQ postulate. This can't be proved (as little as the S/O postulate can) only by showing that this metaphysical arrangement makes for a paradox-free existence does it earn its laurels. The dynamic part is indefinable, but a lot can be said about the static part. > But how can intellectual value be different than an intellectual > pattern. S/O is the value of the intellectual level. I'm not all sure what you ask or object to. But to repeat: Pirsig did not define ANY level. Inorganic, biological and social are self-evident and so is intellect, it DOES mean the ability to distinguish between subjective emotions and objective reason, but for some - um - reason it has come to mean all mental activity. So, the S/O as intellect is no oddball notion but solid MOQ. > How will MoQ control intellect when it is out of intellect? The levels can only be controlled by a new level, thus intellect can only be checked by the MOQ as something beyond - out of - intellect. This level-like relationship between the 4th static level and the "system" it is part of is a bit strange, however it's not every day an upheaval like this takes place. > what is it going to use? not intellect that would be subordinating an > upper level to a lower level, which goes against your SOL. Going back a couple of steps, society controls biology by making organisms social entities, intellect controls "society" by making its values into objects of intellectual study. Likewise the MOQ has made the subject/object split into a static subset of itself called "intellect". Nothing goes against the SOL because it is the MOQ! Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
