On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ham Priday wrote:

> Greetings, Steve --
> 
> 
>> From a cosmic perspective you are but a tiny invisible speck on
>> the third planet of an average sized star--just one of billions of
>> trillions of such stars in the vastness of nearly empty space.
>> Furthermore, your existence as a single speck on a speck among
>> billions of trillions of specks is contained in a mere blink of an eye
>> in the expanse of time. However, even though you are so utterly
>> cosmically insignificant, you are also completely unique. There will
>> never be another you. As a human being, you have the perhaps so
>> far untapped genius and creative power of a Mozart or a Davinci.
>> You have had extraordinary experiences including profound sorrow
>> in mourning the loss of a loved one, and you may have experienced
>> transcendent joy while bringing a child into the world or while simply
>> contemplating nature. You have felt such experiences transform your
>> world in profound ways. You have experienced love so
>> all-encompassing that the only way to describe it in such a way as to
>> give it justice is to talk about being literally IN love. The profundity
>> of such unquantifiably precious moments is in tension with the
>> trivializing fact that they have taken place against an infinite and
>> virtually vaccuous cosmic backdrop. You are made of stardust,
>> but you will end up as worm food. This is the fundamental paradox
>> of existence. ...
> 
> That is perhaps the most eloquent appeal to transcendence that I've ever read 
> on this forum.  And I find it interesting that only John and Ron have thus 
> far seen fit to respond.


Greetings Ham,

I can only agree with Andre's words.  Of course I can agree with your words 
too, but only in a negated way.  That makes me giggle, because there is often 
something within me that wants to agree with you, but I have no clear 
understanding what you are saying, so I have to be satisfied with a wordless 
agreement, at least on some level, some of the time.  But I almost always 
admire your cool.  It's different than Lester Young's cool, but cool just the 
same.   

Marsha   




> 
> As a septuagenarian, my expiration date is earlier than yours, and I've given 
> this a lot of thought over at least six of those seven decades.  My theory 
> lends itself to the valuistic philosophy of Essence, so I can't articulate it 
> in Pirsigian terms.  For what it's worth, I'll give you a précis of my theory 
> in language that hopefully can be universally understood.
> 
> The individual Self is a fall-out of the negation of Essence.  If you've read 
> my thesis, you know I refer to it as a "negate", meaning existential 
> nothingness.  Everything that self depends on for existence -- a functioning 
> physical body, self-awareness, differentiated beingness, and an ordered 
> relational world -- is "borrowed" from otherness.  As individuated beings we 
> are born from nothingness and will return to that nothingness at the 
> cessation of life.  This is all fundamental to the ontology of Essentialism.
> 
> Now, you may have noted a "flaw" (i.e., logical fallacy) in this analysis. 
> For if you are essentially nothing, and nothing does not exist,.how are you 
> able to experience anything, let alone perceive it as "reality"?  My 
> hypothesis is that, although we are psychic non-entities estranged from 
> Essence, we are also inextricably linked to the Value of that essence.  From 
> essential value we derive all our experience, thoughts and beingness. 
> Conversely, it is our inherent nothingness which gives us the ability to 
> differentiate (negate) self from other, present from past, and one thing from 
> another.  In short, Value affirms what Essence negates. This is possible 
> because Essence is absolute, and nothing that is negated from an absolute can 
> be lost.  (Priday's maxim.)
> 
> So where does this leave us when it comes to transcending finite existence?
> 
> Life is an illusion which ends, as it begins, with a negation.  As an 
> incremental negate of its estranged source, the individual cannot exist 
> beyond the conditions of finitude.  Instead, having rounded the negate cycle, 
> the individuated self surrenders its "I"-ness - conditional being and 
> existential awareness - completely to otherness, thereby revoking its negated 
> status and reclaiming its essential Value.  For each of us, the act of dying 
> represents the supreme sacrifice because it terminates the "egocentricity" 
> needed for the continuity of individuated "selfness" through its transitory 
> existence.  Since concern about loss of selfness accounts for most of the 
> fear we associate with death, it behooves us to remember that the truly 
> meaningful experiences and greatest joys in life are those in which we lose 
> ourselves.
> 
> In other words, it is the value of what we perceive that makes the 
> life-experience worthwhile and unique for each of us.  The individuated self 
> with its appropriated body can freely shape its life-experience in the 
> knowledge that undifferentiated value is the common denominator.  Personal 
> tastes and proclivities reflect the status of one's psycho-emotional 
> "conditioning" at any given time; it is these factors which, although 
> different for each individual, determine whether we feel an experience as 
> "good", "bad" or "indifferent".
> 
> The net effect of these evaluations over a lifetime is to establish a Value 
> Complement which defines and affirms our essential identity.  The fact that 
> desire is preferential for each observer means that no two individuals will 
> have the same exact "Value Complement" - a significant system variable that 
> probably plays a "collective" role in shaping physical reality.  But, in the 
> end, Value is the "essence" of experience that endures far longer than the 
> specious details.  Ultimately, it is our identification with a unique and 
> distinct Value Complement that transcends the gap of nothingness and affirms 
> our essential Oneness.
> 
> 
> You have seen
>> indescribable beauty and experienced boundless joy, you've cultivated
>> intense human connections and a mind with the power to contemplate
>> untold marvels, you've sought simple pleasures and overcome profound
>> suffering, you've lived through times of both bliss and heartbreak
>> beyond measure, yet (to quote Rutger Hauer's character in Blade
>> Runner) at the moment of your death, all these memories will be washed
>> away into nothingness "like tears in the rain."
>> 
>> Much has been said about religion as a human invention in response to
>> this paradox--the mother of all problems--the problem of death. Though
>> the MOQ offers a broader explanation for religion, many atheists (as
>> well as perhaps some theists) see fear of death as the complete
>> explanation of the human need to believe in religion. Ernest Becker in
>> his pulitzer prize winning book The Denial of Death explained how it
>> is not only religion but in fact human civilization as a whole which
>> may be thought of as the product of our broad endeavor to suppress the
>> knowledge of our own death.
>> 
>> Such supression is accomplished in many ways. One way is the nearly if
>> not completly universal human denial of identification with our animal
>> nature, our "creatureliness." We are that one sort of animal that can
>> decide how to think about itself, and this one sort of animal prefers
>> not to think of itself as an animal at all. We are unique among
>> animals in knowing that we will one day cease to exist, and so we are
>> the only sort of animal which needs a way to cope with that knowledge
>> by convincing ourselves that we are something more than creatures, as
>> Becker described us, "tearing others apart with teeth of all
>> types--biting, grinding flesh, plant stalks, bones between molars,
>> pushing the pulp greedily down the gullet with delight, incorporating
>> its essence into one's own organization, and then excreting with foul
>> stench and gasses the residue." To accept this picture of ourselves
>> would be a sort of death in itself.
>> 
>> The beings to practice intellectual patterns became aware of their own
>> finitude and needed ways to make sure that this knowledge of our
>> deaths is only ever understood on a surface level and never felt in
>> its fullness. According to Becker, to truly face the fact of our
>> mortality would be an unbearable terror. He wrote, "This is the
>> terror: to have emerged from nothing, to have a name, consciousness of
>> self, deep inner feelings, an excruciating inner yearning for life and
>> self-expression--and with all this yet to die." Becker argued that man
>> needed to create defence mechanisms against the knowledge of our own
>> eventual and inevitable annihilation. Many of these mechanisms
>> accomplish this denial in creating distinctions between humans and
>> animals. In such distinctions we find comfort. We learn to ask
>> ourselves, how could our lives simply end as those of the animals when
>> we are so fundamentally different from the animals? We create and
>> appreciate music, design and wear fashionable clothing, and read and
>> write philosophy. Surely we are not mere animals, so surely we will
>> not share the animal's fate.
>> 
>> Religions, of course, have been a big part of humanity's efforts to
>> deny its animal nature. Though different religions manage the task in
>> different ways including promises of real immortality, one commonality
>> among religions is that their systems of mythology generally emphasize
>> the creation of humanity as a special act that was distinct from the
>> creation of the animals. One reason why evolutionary theory is so
>> threatening to so many is that it reasserts a connection between
>> humanity and the animal kingdom that humanity worked so hard
>> throughout history and through culture to deny. We can understand much
>> of the discomfort that many of us have for the theory of evolution
>> when we recognize it as an unwelcome reminder that we will one day die
>> just as all animals die.
>> 
>> While some atheists take religion be a mere crutch for the weak who
>> cannot face death, I think Becker would have been critical of such
>> atheists. Have they really faced the fact of their own deaths or have
>> they simply found other crutches? Some atheist seem to be feeling a
>> little too smug about their ability to live authentically without a
>> belief in an afterlife. I can imagine a scene where such a smug
>> atheist is perhaps cheering for a sporting event on television.
>> Becker's book is the prose equivalent to taking him by the arms,
>> shaking him and yelling, "How can you just sit there comfortably on
>> your sofa as though there were some real significance to who wins this
>> game? You are going to DIE some day! Stop and really think about that.
>> You are going to DIE! Someday it will be as if you never even existed.
>> You may be remembered for a time. If you are quite famous, perhaps you
>> will be remembered for a thousand years or more. But what about 10,000
>> years from now? 100,000 years? In fact, one day the sun will burn out,
>> and it will be as if not just you but everyone you ever knew and all
>> of humanity had never existed." From that perspective, an engrossing
>> sporting event is an empty distraction from the outcome that we all
>> must face--our eventual utter anihiliation.
>> 
>> If you have never been terrified by that thought, then perhaps you
>> haven't truly and deeply faced your mortality. Existentialists such as
>> Becker have asserted that we need to feel this fact on a profound
>> level and respond authentically to our eventual deaths in order to
>> truly affirm life. Perhaps smug atheists are no different from
>> believers in their inability to face their mortality. Perhaps they
>> have merely chosen different sorts of distractions and illusions.
>> Since Becker takes all human behavior to be guided by the need to deny
>> or transcend death by becoming a hero in a cosmic drama of our own or
>> society's making, this smug atheist for him can be no exception. Such
>> distractions if not illusions are necessary for survival of all
>> self-conscious mortal beings.
>> 
>> What does the MOQ have to say about this "fundamental paradox"? Is
>> fear of death necessary, or can it be transcended?
>> 
>> Becker takes this fear to be fundamental and necessary, but his
>> conclusions seems to follow from an ontological distinction between
>> mind and body. There is a fundamental paradox that can't be resolved
>> because our symbolic self is forever alienated from our mortal bodies.
>> Since the MOQ  disolves this ontological distinction, the MOQ may
>> offer some insights which Becker, with his SOM assumption, may have
>> overlooked overlooked.
>> 
>> I would love to hear what thoughts you may have on that idea since I
>> don't have much insight to offer myself, and I fear that I will die
>> some day.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Steve
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