Ham (who has only a quarrel with Andre):

Proprietary sensibility and individual awareness are synonomous. The reason
I defined the "nature" of awareness as proprietary was to make the point that conscious awareness is unique to the individual. It is the Self, not the universe or an extracorporeal level, who is aware of (experiences) objects and senses
their value

Andre, still quarreling:

Look Ham, I do not understand how you can say on the one hand that every-
thing is related (I call this due to the idea of co-dependent arising) and then say:
except the knower...some sort of individual 'Self'.Where does the 'knower'
come from then? From outside these relationships?

The MoQ denies any existence of a self that is independent of inorganic, organic, social and intellectual patterns. 'There is no 'self' that contains these patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In Zen,there is reference to 'big self' and 'small self'. Small
self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality.' (Annot.29, LC)

You are placing the individual, the 'self' the 'I' as the central reality. And, as you know,
this runs counter to the MoQ.

Andre





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