On 3/28/10 11:10 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'd like to add this quote to the other two. I interpret it as indicating > that the > evaluation, or truth, of the Quality experience is relative to an individual's > "static pattern of life history" combined with DQ (context). > > > > "The reason there is a difference between individual evaluations of quality > is that although Dynamic Quality is a constant, these static patterns are > different for everyone because each person has a different static pattern of > life history. Both the Dynamic Quality and the static patterns influence his > final judgment. That is why there is some uniformity among individual value > judgments but not complete uniformity." > (RMP, SODV) > > I think that these are three powerful quotes. > > I suppose I might here define the 'individual' as a unique flow of static > patterns > dependent on that life history, combined with unpatterned experience. I can > easily understand this life history as karma. > > What do you think? > > Marsha
Hi Marsha V and All, I have tried to use Evolution as a reason for difference. It seems that ³individuality² is more constant than DQ. Imho undefined DQ at each level of evolution is a different level. DQ individualizes in Pirsig¹s thinking 4 levels in evolution. Esoteric literature uses 7 levels for evolution using the model of the sound octave for differing levels to cross. Joe > On Mar 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, MarshaV wrote: > >> >> Hi Andre, >> >> I certainly will miss your Buddhist wisdom. But I cannot help but wonder >> about >> the expression of your "having to defend Pirsig against himself" , especially >> when RMP talks in ZMM of explanations being both true and false, and in >> LILA of more than one set of truths. >> >> >> "Any philosophic explanation of Quality is going to be both false and true >> precisely >> because it is a philosophic explanation. The process of philosophic >> explanation is >> an analytic process, a process of breaking something down into subjects and >> predicates. What I mean (and everybody else means) by the word quality cannot >> be broken down into subjects and predicates. This is not because Quality is >> so >> mysterious but because Quality is so simple, immediate and direct." >> (ZMM, Chapter 20) >> >> >> ³if Quality or excellence is seen as the ultimate reality then it becomes >> possible >> for more than one set of truths to exist. Then one doesn't seek the absolute >> Truth. >> One seeks instead the highest quality intellectual explanation of things with >> the >> knowledge that if the past is any guide to the future this explanation must >> be taken >> provisionally; as useful until something better comes along. One can then >> examine >> intellectual realities the same way one examines paintings in an art gallery, >> not with >> an effort to find out which one is the 'real' painting, but simply to enjoy >> and keep those >> that are of value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence >> and we can >> perceive some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in >> part, the >> result of our history and current patterns of values. >> (LILA, Chapter 8) >> >> --- >> >> Maybe I'm fortunate to have painting to totally distract me when I get >> feeling stuck. >> For instance, I have started painting, from an old etched print, a gypsy >> woman seriously >> playing a guitar. It is an impossible task, I love to paint. - What do you >> love to do? >> >> I've often wanted to ask people, how does the MoQ make their lives better? >> Abstract >> thinking about metaphysical subject matter is wonderful, but has it changed >> your life? >> >> >> Peace be with you Andre. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> On Mar 28, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: >> >>> Dear MoQ'ers, >>> >>> As some of you know, my circumstances in where I live and work are not >>> optimal. Frustration gallore. >>> The Discuss was for me a stimulating diversion, but it has become a bit >>> tedious of late. I can identify with >>> the MoQ as Pirsig has formulated it. Of course this is not everyone's >>> experience, but let's just say that I am >>> getting tired of having to defend Pirsig against himself. Rarely have I >>> given my own reading of the MoQ. >>> I have always tried to back it up with quotes from ZMM, LILA and LC. >>> >>> So many objections, other interpretations etc. >>> >>> That is fine. Don't get me wrong. I just do not have the intellectual >>> garbage to say things coherently and doing >>> justice to the MoQ and Mr. Pirsig at the same time. >>> >>> Just very tired at present. >>> >>> So I'll say goodbye for a while. >>> >>> Take care, >>> Yours sincerely >>> Andre >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
