On 3/26/10 5:19 PM, "John Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi John' I am confused about what I am saying. Joe > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > > John >>> Where evolution proposes individuation, Valuation proposes a judgement. >> Without a thumbs up from valuation, the individual fades. I don't see this >> as >> individuality trumping DQ. Just the opposite. >> >> Joe >> Evolution proposes individuation in the definition of an individual within >> a >> level of existence. 1 has to be defined before the logic of mathematics SQ >> can function. Imho individuation comes before 1 and before DQ >> >> > > Ok. I'm really confused now. I thought indviduation WAS conceptualization > of "1". Reliant upon conception of otherness valued as "many", without > which "1" can't even be conceieved. Therefore, for Individuation or 1 to > exist, valuation and otherness are both implicitly necessary. A fundamental > trio. > > > > > >> Joe previously: >>>> The individual exists. DQ exists in the individual. I was >> flabbergasted at >> the dependent role that DQ plays to ³individuality². There is no way of >> knowing >> DQ apart from the >> ³individual². >> >> >> John >>> Well all this doesn't seem too flabbergasting to me. More like, "duh". >> But >> that's probably because of the murky waters problem of not even >> understanding >> what you're saying much of the time. >>> >> > > >>> As far as DQ's dependency on individuality, it's a mutual thing, not a >> hierarchical, but absolutely I agree that its a co-dependent relationship, >> and >> without the individual to embody values, there would be no values to see. >> >> Joe >> I don’t know how to ask a question, John, about “individuation” coming >> before DQ? Is there an analogy between the logic of a defined 1 >> establishing the logic for 2,3,4,etc. and undefined DQ establishing a logic >> for evolution, SOL? If I say yes then what is prior to DQ? I am at a loss >> for words so I say ‘individuality’ necessary to DQ. Individuality and DQ >> become separated. >> > > > But... "individuality necessary" logically implies a higher unified dualism > - it takes relationship of the two for realization of either. > > Or anything, really. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
