On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Horse wrote: > Hi Marsha > > Process metaphysics is written in the same language as SOM, Shakespeare,
> King Charles bible, Wikipedia, the C++ Standard Library, this mailing list > AND MoQ. All you list are subject/object oriented. For me there is a Quality Level where Reality is Quality(unpatterned experience & patterned experience), and as of yet, no language (except possible when used poetically) properly communicates that reality. Even within physics there is no way yet to intellectualize what is still in its infancy of discovery and understanding. I like best the possibilities for entanglement. But I will admit I know very little. > If your point is that because we "use subjects and objects [and] the > associated > rules for their manipulation" then the Intellectual level is strictly S/O > then the > MoQ, which is written in the same language, is also at this same level. So the > MoQ is part of the Intellectual level - which is not what you or Bo appear to > be saying. Yes, there is the SOM explanation of the MoQ, where it is intellectually presented and explained as a theory: ZMM, LILA, SODV, etc., but there is also the MoQ that represents Reality equals Quality(unpatterned experience & patterned experience.) Mary has asked, and I have asked for examples of intellectual patterns that aren't presented as the manipulation of reified concepts and the rules for their manipulation, but I have seen no such examples. Your process metaphysics is most certainly a s/o presentation, hopeful for the future, but still mired in SOM. I'm sticking with Bo. The Intellectual Level is through and through SOM. Cheers, chocolate and love, Marsha > Or perhaps you mean something else? > > Cheers > > > Horse > > > > On 30/03/2010 13:07, MarshaV wrote: >> Is process metaphysics written in some new language that doesn't use >> subjects, >> objects the associated rules for their manipulation? If so, that is why >> I asked you to explain it and give examples. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Horse wrote: >> >> >>> No >>> >>> On 30/03/2010 12:47, MarshaV wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Wouldn't I be reading of subjects and objects? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:13 AM, Horse wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Also, if you read through the Stanford stuff you'll see that P.F.Strawson >>>>> (Galens Daddy) attacks Process in a similar way to which Galen Strawson >>>>> attacks Quality! >>>>> >>>>> Food for thought? >>>>> >>>>> OK - I'll shut up for now :) >>>>> >>>>> Horse >>>>> >>>>> On 30/03/2010 11:49, MarshaV wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Horse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Process metaphysics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings Horse, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Since you brought it up, would you explain and give examples of process >>>>>> metaphysics. Not what it might be, but what it is... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving >>>>> safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but to skid in sideways, >>>>> chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, >>>>> totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"... 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Hunter S Thompson >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> > > -- > > Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but to skid in sideways, > chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally > worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"... 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