Bodvar to virtually All of us: What does SOM and Aret? translate into in a MOQ context? What is this in a MOQ retrospect?
Andre: This, in an MOQ context means simply that SOM was one hell of a pattern of intellectual value and that arete was the Quality that the Sophists taught; Quality, excellence, dharma, the idea of which was subsequently demoted, inadvertently 'encapsulated' by Plato and cemented in as such by Aristotle. Bodvar: Listen, the levels must have been active around 300 BC and its completely nonsensical to maintain that DQ dominated at some historical time. Andre: What a weird way of putting this. DQ...the quiet achiever... . DQ doesn't do anything Bodvar. It doesn't dominate anything. You are making it a metaphysical chess piece. It is very important to keep all definitions and concepts out of it. But you try to maintain your own fallacy by placing it firmly within the social level because if you begin to see that it doesn't belong there the basis upon you have constructed your SOL argument must fall to pieces. Bodvar: I see you skip all my arguments in an effort to sound the Pirsig defender. Andre: The clearest and most blatant statement yet that the MOQ belongs to you and not Mr. Pirsig. Bodvar: God, give me strength. Yes Quality of ZAMM is identical to DQ of the MOQ, no dispute over that, but DQ did not rule until Plato& Co raped it .... and if you insist what static level did it emerge as? Andre: I second the first sentence in this one because you are going to need all the strength you can get. Not sure if you'll get it from that source though. DQ DID NOT EMERGE AS ANY STATIC LEVEL!!!!!!!!! What utter nonsense! Bodvar: Besides you don't read my posts. I said the Sophists were the subjectivists of SOM, i.e. teaching one branch of intellect's S/O- distinction. Andre: The Sophists were teaching Quality, dharma....from which intellectual distinctions arise. To suggest that they were the 'subjectivists of SOM' is once again a fallacy you need, to maintain your weird construction of the MoB.( the Metaphysics of Bodvar) Bodvar: It's plain that this is a new level of static GOOD emerging and that it must be intellect is more than plain. Not much hope of a breakthrough, yet. Andre: I have skipped some of you arguments because it is getting late but from this last point you make Bodvar it is clear that you really are very confused indeed! A new level of static GOOD emerging??? What we have is the now, to be experienced fully from moment to moment. The Good is already here, pure, direct experience and all the MOQ is suggesting is that we make the most of this moment. You sound like some fundamentalist Christian waiting for the second coming. Keep on waiting Bodvar, and indeed may the good lord give you strength. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
