Platt, Andre, Group 1 May
Platt to Andre: > You got it partly right, Andre. "It was this intellectual level that > was screwing everything up." (Lila, 24) Right, the intellectual level as SOM (before the Quality context was revealed) screwed up the social law and order by overdoing it's control of the social level - even joining force with biology to destroy its "enemy" completely (the campus section in LILA). This may have been your - Platt's - resentment against intellect-as-SOM, as for me it was the bleak metaphysical picture that SOM painted in the form of the Mind/Matter schism (as I knew it as) which left us isolated from other and from the world, and why I got so elated when reading ZAMM and understood how this mysterious Pirsig suddenly revealed the Mind/Matter quandary in a new light - as SOM - and as I have said before, he seemed to have it by its throat by pointing to it as a fall-out from Quality - called "intellect" - in his new metaphysics. Then my disappointment with the final MOQ where "intellect" had become a bland mind-like something that let go of the strangle-hold on SOM. And now DMB, Andre, Horses who applauds the release of the villain. Where is SOM now and where is MOQ's explanatory power? Gone with the the wind! "Manipulation of symbols" ... bah! How does that explain intellect's "screwing up" of social order and/or creating a bleak metaphysical outlook? OK, they are innocent, it's impossible to accuse the "blind of not seeing" they don't understand what deadly blow they inflict on the MOQ or if they do it's become a prestige thing. Andre: > Well, blimey Platt...we (partly) agree on something. Problem still > remains (and this seems to be the basis of our disagreement with > regards to the intellectual level and , of course Bodvar's designation > of it): how is it possible that we can reach this conclusion if the > intellectual level is dominated by SOM? or for that matter constitutes > S/O thinking? See, he he's not capable of understanding the first thing. > You see, in my understanding of the MOQ, dualistic thinking cannot > change itself... no pattern can change in and of itself. The change > comes from outside of thought (in this case)... it comes from > somewhere else. > I wonder what it is? Nor does he understand that the the agent of change is DQ. Phew! Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
