[John]
If you want to offer "clever" as a signpost of sufficient intelligence between simplistic organisms like amoeba and more sophisticated ones like worms, I'll go along with that. But I couldn't buy the wholesale semantic replacement of one with the other. Arlo?

[Arlo]
Unsure. There are two issues here as I see them. (1) We are talking about a scale; from simple to sophisticated responses, and (2) We are how far down to extend words we apply to these responses.

We disagree on point (2), I'd reserve "intelligence" for those responses made capable by sufficiently-complex neural biology paired with some early (proto) form of social behavior. (This avoids the unnecessary and burdensome distinction between "intelligence" and "intellect").

If I understand Horse correctly, he is suggesting we keep the line here (or around here), but label the responses of simpler biological organisms "clever".

I guess I just don't understand what's the problem with just calling them "biological". So when the wings of a butterfly adapt to blend into its environment, it is a particular biological response afforded to this creature by its particular composition and complexity.

When an amoeba pulls away from acid, or a proton pulls towards a neutron, both happen because of the root "value response" of patterns to their environment, but the complexity and sophistication of their response is marked by their biological and inorganic repertoires accordingly.

"Intelligence" is an even higher, much more sophisticated, repertoire of responses enabled by a neural complexity able to support proto-social symbolic encodings.

I will say, too, that in consideration of point (1), dragging "intelligence" down to describe the secretions of an earthworm leaves very little in regard for meaningful understandings of a scale of intelligence. The earthworm simply acts "biologically", within a set of possibility enabled and constrained by its particular complexity and construction. "Intelligent" behavior comes later, an evolutionary facet of a complex biology supporting social participation.




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