Correction: Well, my definition of the Intellectual Level stands, with no contrary evidence from you.
On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:31 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Andre Broersen wrote: > >> Marsha to Andre: >> >> Andre previously: >> I am not replacing anything!! (it is Bodvar who tries to do this) I am >> simply suggesting that dialectics and rhetoric, as a mode of enquiry belong >> at the intellectual level. I mean, if these two modes are not about a >> skilled manipulation of symbols I don't know what is. >> >> Mr. Pirsig described rhetoric as as form of 'mystic art' (ZMM p 145, my >> e-copy) and suggested on p185 that 'philosophical mysticism,the idea that >> truth is undefinable...has been with us since the beginning of history'. > > We were discussing the fourth level that contains intellectual static > patterns of value. Have you changed the subject, and why? > > >> >> Marsha in response: >> Thing is that this is your opinion. Not anything like the closest to RMP's >> MoQ. >> >> Andre: >> Thing is that you leave out the word 'just' as in 'it is just your >> opinion'.( ZMM following Phaedrus' thing in ZMM). > ' > Nothing was left out. The subject was intellectual static patterns of value. > And you offered your opinion: "Thing is that at the intellectual level one > can entertain two or three or dozens opposing or contradictory or affirming > ways to handle the knife. I don't particularly care what you call them, be it > logic, rational, irrational... whatever. The greater freedom which this level > affords us, in comparison to the other levels is, I think indicative of the > wonderful ways we have learned to adapt, interpret and deal with whatever we > experience." > > >> Thing is that you are not responding to what Mr. Pirsig says, which is not >> surprising since Bodvar's SOM, which you adhere to, excludes anything and >> everything which seeks to combine immediate experience and the rational >> understanding of this with reference to Quality... which Mr. Pirsig refers >> to as mystic art. > > 'Mistic art' is a different subject. You are soooo full of baloney. Well, > my definition, with no contrary evidence from you. > > >> >> As dmb noted earlier; Bodvar's understanding excludes DQ. > > DMB is NOT an authority to proclaim a MoQ papal bull, either. The bull you > are both full of is not the papal kind. > > > > Marsha > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
