Hey, Craig --
[Ham, previously]:
If we and our objective world were not divided--
if everything were one "aggregated mass"--where would we
find order, beauty, love, excellence, morality, joy, challenge,
or inspiration? Indeed, there would be no values, let alone
an intellect to comprehend them.
Am I wrong, or has the author of the MoQ missed
something essential in his effort to reduce reality to a quality
hierarchy?
[Craig]:
No, each of these is accounted for in the MoQ hierarchy.
You challenged the statement in my last post that "nothing comes into
existence without a creator" on semantic grounds. As you accepted the
premise that "nothing is created without a creator," I
assumed that "coming into existence" had some special meaning for you, such
as a value construct or "pattern" that is secondary to Creation.
I won't let you off the hook so easily on this statement, however. Either
you deny that all "value patterns" are relative (which I find hard to
believe), or you somehow identify the values I've enumerated in the four
levels of the Quality hierarchy. Perhaps you view the experience of "order"
and "excellence" as intellectual patterns, and "morality" and "inspiration"
as emotional (social/ biological?) POVs.
It seems clear to me that 'agape' or the sense of wonder, which directly
induces the emotional states of love, desire, inspiration, and joy are human
value responses, notwithstanding any biological or social involvement.
Since Mr. Pirsig has not specifically defined these values or localized them
"by level" in the hierarchy, I'd be interested to know how you account for
them.
Thanks, Craig.
--Ham
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