Hi Krimel, > > [Krimel] > > I think the "level" is the collection of all the code > > regardless of whether or not it even works all that really matter for > > it to belong to the "level" is that it can be accessed. > > > [Mary Replies] > You are in good company then. This is what most people think. > > [Krimel] > I would like to think so and I may have missed something, I certainly > hope > so, but I don't recall anyone here saying that or even commenting one > way or > another on it the several times I have. > [Mary Replies] The levels are but a representation of reality. Given a choice, would you prefer to access the representation or the thing represented?
> > [Krimel] > > In fact I think the snippets of useful code that > > Pirsig provided have already been replaced by more powerful and > > efficient programmers. > > > [Mary Replies] > Such as? > > [Krimel] > Originally I liked what Pirsig said about evolution for example but > closer > reading showed it to be really flawed. Better programmers in that area > should have been well known to Pirsig and include Dawkin, Gould and > Wilson > to mention a few. But Dawkins especially when it comes to extending > evolutionary thinking outside of biology. > > Pirsig showed glimpses of insight into the importance of randomness and > random access but fumbles there as well. Better programmers there would > include Shannon who predates all of Pirsig's writing but was mostly > known > only to specialists at the time, Pirgonine and Mandelbrot for experts > and > Gleick for the rest of us. > > He seemed on the right track with his talk about Taoism but you can't > really > improve on Lao Tsu although Watts, Capra and Hoff take a good stab at > show > why you ought to read the master. > > When I first read ZMM in '75 I thought his analysis of Hume and Kant > was > good. There are many accounts that are much better though not > necessarily > more recent Durrant and Russell of course and from what Matt and Steve > say I > suspect Rorty but I haven't gotten around to him so I keep shut on that > one. > BTW, just as a tackey aside even I can tell that dmb hasn't read Rorty > either he just doesn't have the sense to keep quiet about it. > > Pirsig has lots to say about mental illness for more and better insight > there I would recommend the DSM-IV. > > For his thoughts on psychology in general anything and everything by > Malcom > Gladwell and for better insight into economics Dan Ariely. Both of > these > guys gave TED talks and for better programming in general just about > anyone > who has ever given a TED talk. www.ted.com > > [Mary Replies] All are highly skilled at accessing the representation of reality. Best, Mary Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
