Bodvar to Andre: ...there is an authority that directs police and that is the LAW and the law rests on our "cause/not our cause" distinction.
Andre: If by 'cause' in this context you mean 'the preservation of 'our' (i.e. a culture's definition of) the 'good', I have no argument with you. Bodvar: But over to the intellectual level's immune system where Pirsig refers to psychiatry and its effort to try to convert him (in its time) "back to objective reality" (LILA page 335) Is there a better indication that he sees intellect as the S/O distinction (the value of telling what's objective and from what's subjective? Andre: Yes Bodvar, the SOM pattern to the hilt!But read on a bit and Phaedrus says:'But he saw that they were representatives of the culture and they were always required to deal with insanity as cultural representatives... .' Do you read properly Bodvar: Phaedrus is not saying universal representatives of the universally recognised intellect as SOM. He is talking about cultural intellectual patterns. Read a little before your quote:'But with a Metaphysics of Quality the empirical reality is not an experience of 'objects'. It's an experience of value patterns produced by a number of sources, not just inorganic patterns. When an insane person-or a hypnotized person or a person from a primitive culture- advances some explanation of the universe that is completely at odds with current scientific reality, we do not have to believe he has jumped off the end of the empirical world. He is just a person who is VALUING INTELLECTUAL PATTERNS that, because they are OUTSIDE THE RANGE OF OUR OWN CULTURE we perceive to have very low quality. It has caused him to filter out WHAT WE CALL OUR NORMAL CULTURAL INTELLECTUAL PATTERNS just as ruthlessly as our culture filters out his'. (my emphasis). If this, for the zillionth time, is not a denial of your SOL/SOM argument and a confirmation of your 'attitude' towards other culture's intellectual patterns I don't know what is. I would never 'fit' the Chinese Red Guard Bodvar. I have seen them up close;they are like robots and I do hope you do not see me in that way. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
