Greetings, Craig --

I wonder if there isn't a compromise between Pirsig's MoQ
& Bo's SOL (the metaphysics of ZMM?). Pirsig emphasizes
static patterns of value.  Bo identifies the intellectual level
with Subjects & Objects.  But what if Subjects & Objects
are seen as static patterns of value?  Doesn't this bridge the
gap between the 2 metaphysics?

Of course it does. But Bo is not contesting Pirsig's concept of subjects and objects as "patterns of value." He's positing the intellectual level as SOM -- a "metaphysics of duality" -- and he ascribes this metaphysics to an evolutionary period in history. He's seduced a few others who claim that all intellectual precepts reside in this intellectual level, which conflicts with the author's premise that pure, undefined Quality = Reality.

Look at how he interprets the original block diagram in ZMM:

...in the preliminaries to diagram-drawing Quality is
"pre-intellectual" while "intellectual" is the object
becoming aware of subjects.

Where in Pirsig's writings, old or new, is it stated that "objects become aware of subjects"? What New Age nonsense is this? We won't advance metaphysics by turning existence upside down on the theory that epistemology doesn't matter. Nor will we "transform the world" (Obama-style) into a Quality Utopia by pretending that subjects and objects don't exist.

In my opinion, any philosophy that cannot accommodate experiential reality is meaningless, much less worth debating. Sadly, I'm beginning to realize that no interpretation of the MoQ will lead us to the great enlightenment that its author anticipated.

For me, Value (Quality) is an aspect of ultimate reality which we are all privileged to realize as cognizant creatures. Value is the "essence" of our experience, but we can only know it in a relational sense, as one thing (phenomenon or pattern) being better or worse than something else. Life is an individual experience, and Truth, goodness, morality, and wisdom are all relative to the observing self. If we cannot accept our subjective individuality and the differentiated world we experience, we will not learn from participating in it, let alone come up with a metaphysics to explain its ultimate source.

Your attempt to "bridge the gap" is a noble effort, Craig, and I wish you success in your venture through Qualityland.

Best regards,
Ham



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