Hi Krim
I think that both Mythos and Logos are tools of the Intellectual level
(ideas about ideas) that use the Social level to propagate heir content
- and I think this is probably why Pirsig sees Culture as a combination
of Intellectual patterns and Social patterns. Ideas on their own are
pretty much locked into the Intellectual level and require Social level
practices in order to shift and spread from one location (e.g me) to
other locations (e.g. you and others on this list).
Something I've been bleating on about for some time now is how the
entire SQ aspect of Quality resembles a network model similar to either
TCP/IP or OSI. I have an idea and transmit it to you down one side of
the stack and up the other side. Problem is that, probably, very few
people here have any idea of what I'm referring to! Also, given Pirsigs
techie background, this makes sense - to me at least.
Horse
On 25/06/2010 22:37, Krimel wrote:
[Horse]
As far as I can see, your biggest mistake is to confuse the data of the
intellectual level with the tools that manipulate that data. The
intellectual level is composed of ideas (data) and SOM, MoQ, metaphysics
in general, science, philosophy, mathematics etc. are the means by which
they are ordered, manipulated and presented (tools - or ideas about
ideas). At least, that's my take on it. Ideas can be good or bad,
supported or unsupported, weird or normal and a number of shades in
between! Similarly, the tools used (ideas about ideas) can be simple or
complicated, complete or incomplete etc. etc.
[Krimel]
That is pretty close the position I have pushed for. I wonder if you would
agree that this puts both the Mythos and the Logos on the intellectual level
as well?
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