----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Glendinning" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics


Excellent Platt, EXCEPT,

Mary's two points were about SOM, (explicitly stated "SOM says .."),
not about the intellectual level.

The level of intentional dishonesty in the argumentation is embarrassing.
Ian

[Platt]
See Mary's topic sentence. Anyway, it's not intellectually dishonest to state one's belief based on evidence. It's embarassing you assert otherwise.


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Platt Holden <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Mary <[email protected]> wrote:


The Intellectual Level is the set of Patterns of Value that hold with two
key points.

- SOM says Quality with a capital "Q" does not exist because quality is
nothing more than an attribute based on subjective opinion.
- SOM says that the Universe is composed of nothing more nor less than a
collection of subjects and objects.

This is about as minimal a definition of SOM as I can get down to. If you
take these two key assumptions as the entire basis of the Intellectual
Level
I believe all else follows logically; and despite the argument that this is
too narrow or restrictive, I think you will find that everything short of
the MoQ and equivalents that cannot otherwise be considered a Social Level
value will apply. For example, things like science, atheism, democracy,
empiricism, economic theories and surely a bunch of other things I can't
think of right now all follow as a logical result of these two premises
alone. What can be misleading is that many of the concepts derived from
these two basic Intellectual Patterns appear to be in irreconcilable
conflict with each other. That is surely true, but the conflict is only in
the details and not in the fundamental, unspoken assumptions upon which
they
are based. It is these two unspoken assumptions that are pervasive and
insidiously present in everything in the purview of the Intellectual Level.


[Platt]
You have identified the keys to understanding the intellectual level -- the
two unspoken
assumptions that determine its basic nature. Thanks for pinning it down so
correctly
and succinctly.

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