1 July Ron wrote
> Pirsig explains how MoQ has greater explanitory power, I have yet to > hear how SOL provides greater explanitory power. Please, just one of > you answer this. Just one of you take a stab at some honost dialog. Bodavr replied: In a show of magnanimity I'll respond to your cries for attention. Yes, Pirsig shows how the MOQ has great explanatory power, but it's all based on the intellect=SOM interpretation. As Platt points out, the chapter about intellectual value joining force with biology to quell social value is SOL-based and so is Pirsig's remark on the Moslem world fighting intellect (because it disturbs society's own quelling of biological value). Every single instance where MOQ wields its explanatory power is based on the SOL, any other of the many strange definitions - f.ex. "expansion of rationality" - is useless. Ron after some thought: Here is the problem Bodvar, any greater explanation is an expansion of intellectual understanding. Something SOL rejects. It is an intellectual explanation and all intellectual explanations are SOM per SOL. Thats why you call the expansion of reason worthless. Objective explanation is the highest static pattern. There is no greater explanation. Thats the kind of answer you should have given if you even understood your own interpretation. Bodvar: For further examples of its power I can point to its clearing up of the age old problem of EVIL by its level system, each level in turn creating a new evil and finally - by revealing this context - the MOQ at least explains it. A problem that has bothered humankind for ages, resolved in one stroke of genius, no small feat! Another related enigma is how murder brings medals in war, but is a crime in times of peace. This enigma is intellect-as-SOM created, claiming human rights worth, freedom yet, having to watch that all these abandoned if/when the bells toll. It's been a monster platypus for as long as intellect has been in the driver's seat. The MOQ explains this as when the intellectual latch don't hold we slip down to the much stronger social latch where "our cause" takes over and where no qualms exist by killing the enemy. But this also requires the SOM-intellect, the Mind-intellect has zero explanatory power Think before you launch a new "Ron-having-read-Aristotle" posts. You can protest the SOL but that also means protesting the MOQ. Ron: As stated before, Religions explain evil. But now we have an objective explanation for it, evil is evolutionary. . Evil is betterness. Every evil wrought by objective explanations is really evolutionarily superior. It really is better per SOL. Which is why MoQ appears evil to SOM right? see this explains everything, why people here think you are immoral and wrong, their just steeped in SOM! I have to admit that is brillant Bodvar. Id suggest that anyone who pursues an understanding concerning metatphysics ought to read Aristotles "theory of explanation" I would suggest reading Plato and Aristotle to any MoQ'er/ist / Pirsigian. I suggest thinking before launching any "Bodvar knows Pirsigs real meaning better than Pirsig" posts...Horse sounds like he's had enough. This is his site, he is an individual with his own values and prefences. I suggest we respect that. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
