Apparently I'm not making _myself_ clear: I understand that Bo attributes what we consider his idea to Pirsig. Thank you Ian, Magnus: I'm not sure how you thought that's what I was missing.
However, what is this "line"? What actions are we talking about? Is nobody reading the junk I wrote? I'm saying that blaspheming against intellectual integrity doesn't to me seem easily posed as a criterion with which we can lay down a rule with which to kick people out. For the lifespan of Milton-Mill life of free inquiry, the assumption has been that the best way to keep inquiry free and shuck falsity from truth is to keep the _structure_ wide and clear from dogma and let the inquirers/warriors fight it out. As Rorty said, "take care of freedom, and truth will take care of itself." I'm not just spouting moralistic propaganda, I'm talking about practical, structural bits of wisdom of how to best assure that truth is what comes out from an institution. We have found over the course of history that there are places where we need to step in: fire in theatres, inciting riots, fighting words, etc. There are places where we yet need to step in: monopolization of media outlets. But in this small institution we call the MD, what rule changes are we talking about? I'm saying Horse has pointed out _nothing_ new (not that Horse, and all of us, shouldn't continue to blast Bo for consistently being mistaken) and I want to know _what is new_ in this discussion? What is this line? What happens when the next person crosses it? We blast more emails about how wrong they are? That's what we've always done, and the only thing to do without making structural changes to the rules of the game. So, is the only thing I missed the fact that I didn't miss anything? Is Horse _not_ suggesting he will take any action as an administrator? Christ Ian, if you'd understood what I was saying, rather taking it as a moralistic screed, I would've hoped you'd have seen that the thing that needed to be cleared up was to say, "Oh, no Matt, you got it wrong: Horse isn't suggesting he's going to do anything as the administrator. He's not suggesting he's going to kick Bo out, he's not adding any more rules to the list, or anything like that. He's just admonishing Bo, as the administrator, for lacking the intellectual ability to tell the difference between his ideas and Pirsig's ideas. Same thing we've always done, but now he's adding the force of moq.org officialness." And I'da gone, "Oh, yeah I misunderstood. Thanks for clearing that up quickly so I wouldn't have to keep thinking I was taking crazy pills and people we're walking me back to the point I was trying to move on from." > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 19:47:10 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Decision > > And Matt, Magnus answered your question explicitly > > "You missed *the* crucial point Horse has tried to make twice now: > Bo is telling people that the SOL is Pirsig's idea." > > Time to draw a line. > Ian > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Ian Glendinning > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Matt asked > > > > "Why Bo is felt to be different in kind than other idiosyncratic posters ?" > > > > Because of his claim is that his idiosyncratic idea is explicitly Pirsig's. > > > > Ian > > > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Ian Glendinning > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We got there in the end Matt. > >> > >> Like you, I can switch off from Bo (or Platt) - so can anyone. > >> This is Horse's thread, not Bo's. A decision as moderator to not > >> simply ignore him, but exactly as per your own advice, > >> > >> to tell Bo to "shut the fuck up". > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Matt Kundert > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Heh, I had a feeling it _was_ a metaphor, but ya' know, > >>> just in case there was some hardware issue. What the hell > >>> do I know? > >>> > >>> And I guess I'll reiterate since it isn't: delete the fucking > >>> emails. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
