On 9 Jul 2010 at 15:39, X Acto wrote:

> Ron prev;
> 
> > What you seem to have trouble understanding is the concept
> > of self-refferential systems. Which is not qite the same thing
> > as what Wilber was forwarding.
> 
> Platt:
> Oh, I understand all right -- the box SOM can't escape.  
> 
> Ron:
> Right, when you take certain Objective assumptions to be true,
> one can not escape. But if one takes value as being true then
> those contradictions dissolve.

Hi Ron:
Not sure what you have in mind, but if you mean that value transcends SOM 
intellect I agree. 
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