[Bo to Dan]
And moreover it proves that the weak interpreters regard Q-intellect to be a mental compartment where ideas - old and new - slosh around.

[Arlo]
Another good place to bring in the "a/the" argument.

According to the above, Pirsig is a "weak interpreter" of "the MOQ".

We could extend this to read "Pirsig is a weak interpreter of Pirsig's metaphysics".

We can simplify this a bit to read "Pirsig is a weak interpreter of Pirsig's ideas".

Further, "Pirsig is wrong about Pirsig's ideas".

This is the problem with those who remain fixated on the "THE" instead of seeing Pirsig's metaphysics of Quality as simply that, HIS ideas. YOUR ideas, YOUR metaphysics of Quality, are built in response/agreement/contrast/extension/revision/etc. from consideration of Pirsig's metaphysics, likely a bunch of other metaphysical ideas, and your own personal experience on this carousel.

Pirsig's metaphysics of Quality consider the intellectual level to be more than just SOM.

Bo's metaphysics of Quality consider the intellectual level held to only be SOM.

There is no "strong" or "weak" interpretation here. There are different ideas from different people. And there are those that think Pirsig's metaphysics have better value, and those few would think Bo's metaphysics have better value.

Why is it rocket science to some to consider that THIS is the ground this argument should be standing on?

There is no single MOQ that is sitting "out there" somewhere like an elephant and we, like blind men, are feeling about trying to "observe" or "interpret" it.

There are simply people's IDEAS. Pirsig's. Bo's. Mine. Platt's. John's. Etc.

I am convinced this is due to the SOList's continue fixation of the "THE", a malady derived from convention perhaps, but one that lies at the root of this entire house of noise.

As I've asked the SOLists in a few other threads...

Why are you all so obsessively hung up on the word "THE", and what value do you think it has?

Do you disagree with me that we use the phrase "THE metaphysics of Quality" as a conventional way of referring specifically to Pirsig's ideas, but that it would in fact be more accurate to say "Pirsig's metaphysics"?

Do you not see that obsessing on the "THE" objectifies the "MOQ" into some "reality"... that even Pirsig can be "wrong" about? This makes no sense. Pirsig can't be wrong about his ideas, but his ideas can be wrong. In the same way, Bo's ideas are not "THE MOQ", they are his ideas.

If we drop the word "THE", and instead simply talk about people's ideas, do you not see how all this interpretive nonsense and need for authoritative legitimacy would disappear?

In other words, what do you think is wrong with saying "A metaphysics of Quality that holds the intellectual level to SOM is better than A metaphysics of Quality that considers SOM to be one on many intellectual patterns"?

Does that not sum up your position? Why is it more important for you to say instead "THE metaphysics of Quality holds the intellectual level to SOM"?


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