Magnus, No, I find it very interesting. I like to try to understand, as best I can, what is being considered just behind cutting edge. I've listened to many lectures on Quantum Physics &etc. and have heard things both exciting and absurd. I love it!!! BUT, I believe all static patterns to be conventionally created: ever-changing, relative, impermanent and false. None are things-in-themselves. Nonetheless, it is fascinating, and I thought Verlinde's paper might be interesting to others because of RMP's reference to gravity.
Marsha On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Magnus Berg wrote: > Hi Marsha > > I can't help but wonder, are you trying to say something with this thread? Is > there an argument for or against some view? > > Magnus > > > > On 2010-07-14 17:25, MarshaV wrote: >> Hi Magnus, >> >> I heard a short interview with Verlinde on a pbs program. When I get a >> chance I will search youtube hoping to find a more in-depth talk. >> >> http://www.thetakeaway.org/2010/jul/14/argument-against-gravity/ >> (7minutes) >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:12 AM, Magnus Berg wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha >>> >>> Cool paper. And I hope you understand what he tried to do in MoQ terms? He >>> tried to show how the inorganic pattern gravity is supported by the lower >>> quantum level. He said he didn't "believe" in gravity anymore, but he also >>> stated that gravity is an "emergent" property of space-time. So, if he >>> doesn't believe in gravity, then he doesn't believe in space or time either. >>> >>> He has simply moved a level down and now thinks that all levels above that >>> are just emergent properties of his new ground zero level. But we MoQ >>> people know that all levels are equally real. The most basic one is not >>> more real just because all others depend on it. >>> >>> The same thing can be said about smell, taste and other biological >>> experiences. "They are just emergent properties of inorganic processes." >>> But that doesn't recognize the biological reality of tasting a freshly >>> harvested cucumber from your very own green house. >>> >>> Magnus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2010-07-14 12:47, MarshaV wrote: >>>> http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100713/NEWS0107/7130383/1159/1159&nav_category=1159 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Believe in gravity? Better think again >>>> >>>> It’s hard to imagine a more fundamental and ubiquitous aspect of life >>>> on the Earth than gravity, from the moment you first took a step and >>>> fell on your diapered bottom to the slow terminal sagging of flesh >>>> and dreams. >>>> >>>> But what if it’s all an illusion, a sort of cosmic frill, or a side >>>> effect of something else going on at deeper levels of reality? >>>> >>>> So says Erik Verlinde, 48, a respected string theorist and professor >>>> of physics at the University of Amsterdam, whose contention that >>>> gravity is indeed an illusion has caused a continuing ruckus among >>>> physicists, or at least among those who profess to understand it. >>>> Reversing the logic of 300 years of science, he argued in a recent >>>> paper, titled “On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton,” that >>>> gravity is a consequence of the venerable laws of thermodynamics, >>>> which describe the behavior of heat and gases. >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
