OK Magnus, as usual hopefully we're arguing about things we really agree on.
So you need to make two cases. One that there is in fact a "level border" without fuzziness. Two that your 3D-Fit idea is less fuzzy than any other living / organic / biological definition. My (our) position is that 3D (I'd say 4D) fuzziness exists at ALL levels from fundamental physics upwards through different kinds of chemistry (including non-chemical-bonding physical chemistries) like taste, smell, catalysis, RNA / DNA bases, etc .... so why is the real 3D-Fit "especially" clear cut for the second level ? (Note especially - you don't need to educate us in geometry and chemistry generally.) Any more to the point why such a definition is better, pragmatically - Andy's point - than the original "organic" - living organism - viewpoint. Ian (PS for me "fit" and "quality" are near synonymous anyway - maybe ... given where we're going with this ... the 3D geometry is spurious anyway.) On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Magnus Berg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi again > > I didn't say there are *no* fuzziness in our reality. > > What I said was that if fuzziness is relevant, we're *not* looking at a > level border. > > Magnus > > > On 2010-07-16 08:30, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >> And Magnus, choice and fuzziness in computers ? >> >> Leaving the "free will" debate out of choice for now .... computers >> are full of fuzziness, there are particular organically (human) >> created arrangements of the fuzzy (noisy electrons, buzzing silicon >> and germanium lattices, rising and falling potentials) processes that >> flip and flop as switches to choose digitally at one level we've >> arranged. >> >> Having introduced this digital order, we do of course re-introduced >> unpredictability and randomizers to re-interrupt the neat digital >> clock cycles with the noise again. >> >> Depends where you look Magnus .... and at what "scale". The >> predictability and repeatability has a scale dependent element. >> Ian >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
