Hi Platt,
Yes, you seem correct to my way of thinking. I don't see how it can be otherwise. The MoQ is a shift in world-view so great in difference from the SOM world-view that it makes the split between social and intellectual levels dwarf in comparison. I agree with you. Marsha On Jul 16, 2010, at 11:19 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Marsha, Craig, All:: > > Perhaps nowhere else is clinging to SOM shown to be so yesterday than in the > discoveries of quantum physics. In looking down to find the lowest "thing" > that was at the bottom of the material world, scientists found there was > nothing there, a no-thing-ness that mystics found centuries ago. Instead of > dealing with this inexplicable phenomenon by changing their worldview of > subjects observing objects, they have invented all sorts of chimeras like > Plank's constant and multiple universes to cover their you-know-whats. > > I don't understand quantum physics either. But, I do understand it has proved > the SOM premise of a fundamental subject/object separation is wrong. Result: > SOM needs -- not an "extension" or new set of clothes as some suggest -- but > a > total replacement. > > Alfred North Whitehead, who Pirsig has acknowledged as an influence, said: > > "The progress of science has now reached a turning point. The stable > foundations of physics have broken up. The old foundations of scientific > thought are becoming unintelligible. Time, space, matter, material, ether, > electricity, mechanism, organism, configuration, structure, pattern, > function, > all require reinterpretation." > > Enter the MOQ. > > Platt > > > On 16 Jul 2010 at 3:22, MarshaV wrote: > > > Adrie, Craig, > > I love it when they tell you that if you think you understand it, you don't. > It is > also sometimes stated that it beyond rationality, or that our language, which > has developed with our Aristotelian/Cartesian point-of-view, is contrary to > Quantum understanding. > > There is one explanation that has me puzzled; it's Plank's constant. Most > of the lectures I've listened to have been for non-scientists. Oh-oh! In > one > lecture, granted it was on the 1990's science wars rather than QP, it was > stated clearly that Plank's constant was chosen and adopted for use to get > rid of an anomaly (either infinity or zero). It was explained that it is > sufficiently > small as not to have a significant impact on the equation while still > preventing > the anomaly. Wow! That's like art. > > Most of the QP lectures were presented in a very absolute way. For > instance to paraphrase one professor "this calculation for spin is not just > mathematics; it is real." What conclusion am I to leap to from that > statement? > > I do not really understand QP, but I love it nonetheless because it is > pointing > > beyond a subject/object world-view. I didn't understand much of the article, > but sensed it was pointing to something of quality. > > Thanks Adrie, I keep trying... > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Jul 15, 2010, at 9:31 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> [Adrie] >> How would you compare "Weak Quantum Theory: Complementarity and Entanglement >> in Physics and Beyond" to Pirsig's SODV >> (http://www.quantonics.com/Pirsigs_SODV.html)? >> . >> "Even though the isolation of parts of reality is expected to be a >> problematic operation, its possibility, at least in some approximate sense, >> is the prerequisite for any act of cognition and, in fact, already implicit >> in the epistemic split between subjects and objects of cognition." >> ("Weak Quantum Theory: Complementarity and Entanglement in Physics and >> Beyond", >> p. 11) >> >> Explanations of Reality should be so simple a child could >> understand them. (Pirsig) >> >> "This is so simple even a child could understand it. Go out and >> get me a child--I can't make heads or tails of it." (Marx)Craig >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
