Marsha asked how patterns and objects differ.

dmb says:

Previously, I noticed that you've used (or rather misused) the word 
"reification" to make the same objectionable point, namely that static patterns 
are ever-changing and amorphous. Reification is a fallacy, a conceptual error 
wherein abstractions are mistaken for real things. You could call it the 
thingification of ideas. Plato's forms would be the classic example but this is 
also what James and Pirsig are saying about subjects and objects. When they say 
that subjects and objects are not the starting points of experience but rather 
concepts derived from experience, they are saying that subjects and objects 
have been reified. They are concepts mistaken for ontological realities, for 
real substances. 

To say that objects are patterns of inorganic quality is to say that they 
aren't pre-existing material realities but rather they are among the many 
marvelous analogues we've created in response to DQ. Man is the measure of all 
things, not the measurer. That is to say we invented reality and so it's not 
pre-existing. Man is a participant in the creation of all things. Every last 
bit of it, he says. 

Now the experience from which we derive ideas such a rocks is quite real. That 
experience is what makes our reality seem so substantial and the idea of 
substance works quite well in many situations. But it's still just a secondary 
reality, a tool we invented to deal with experience. So is the so-called 
physical universe. It's just a very grand and elaborate analogue. Pirsig 
reminds us that "substance" or "matter" was invented by the ancient 
philosophers. He reminds us that the existence of such a thing is really just 
inferred from experience. It's a theoretical entity that is supposed to explain 
how the particular qualities set of qualities that make up a rock all stick 
together or inhere. Its roundness, heaviness, greyness or whatever are supposed 
to be features of a thing, then the thing in itself becomes more real than the 
experiences from which they were derived, the original experience that produced 
the "thing" in the first place is relegated to "merely" a subjective imp
 ression. James and Pirsig are flipping this idea upside down and that's their 
Copernican revolution.

And that's how patterns are different from things. See?



                                          
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