Platt:
> >John Prev: > > Emotions are social responses. Lizards and amoebas are biological, but > > they emote not. > > > > Bull yourself. What do you think activates lizards and amoebas, intellect? > > John: I choose to think in these terms - there are three different mental states (response to DQ) corresponding to the three upper levels of the MoQ. Environmental reactionism - starting with the simplest forms of life, amoebas and insects and reptiles Intelligence - starting with mammals and corresponding to self-realization Intellect - starting with SOM and corresponding to self-reflection. > > [JC] > > > > Intellectual understand is DQ to a social pattern. SQ is any stable, > > long-lasting society or group. > > > > Platt: > Say what? > > Well, Islam, America, Christianity, the NFL - are all long-lasting social patterns. They were all creations of intellect and have persisted for a while. These are SQ expressions of the social level. Is what I meant. > > > > > [P] > > > SQ at the social level is the Giant. DQ is accessible at this level so > > long > > > as > > > SOL, with its absence of the concept of DQ, doesn't to try guide the > > Giant. > > > > > > > [JC] > > > > Poppycock (a polite term for "bullshit that doesn't get me bonked by Lu) > > > > SOL says intellect is SOM, RMP says upper levels are DQ to lower. Your > > statement, Platt, makes no sense. > > > > Platt: > Check what Pirsig says about the Giant and intellectually guided societies. John: All societies are intellectually created and guided, to an extent. Some are more open to DQ than others, is all. I believe what Pirsig meant by "intellectually guided" was a matter of degree, or an extreme along a continuum. > > > [P} > > > DQ is the purview of all who pursue the Conceptually Unknown in order > "to > > > bring something out of that unknown into a static form that would be of > > > value > > > to everyone." (SODV) I agree such individuals are heroes. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Platt > > > > > > > > [jc] > > > > Well... I guess I'll have to take your word for it Platt, You are older > > than me. But I never seen such a thing in all MY experience. > > > > Sorry about that. > > > > [jc] > > I mean for starters, wtf is "Conceptually Unknown" and if you know it, > > doesn't that obviate it's label? > > > > If you knew what it was you wouldn't call it unknown would you? > John: In other words, it's an impossibility to pursue what is "conceptually unknown". Absolute Idealists and Pragmatists postulate that the self is a constructive process. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
