[Adrie] So i'm honoring you by stating you are the opposite of an idiot. [Krimel] I am the opposite of insulted.
[Adrie] i do not know wat is triggering you sometimes in your negative events, supressing your own quality. [Krimel] It's a long story that seems to be ending badly. [Adrie] Now , maybe you are asking yourself as for why i did, or do not engage in Chaostheory / determinism. [Krimel] It had crossed my mind since you seem a clever sort. [Adrie] I do not believe in chaos, there is no chaos, chaos is a pattern of infinite differentiation. Determinism came upon chaostheory, just to get rid of the chaosidea. Determinism is mostly used by creationists to avoid the paths of GR, R, QP,EVOLUTIONTHEORY, etc , the path of proof , or the pathway of good hypothetical models. [Krimel] The thing about scientific theories is they don't care what you believe. [Adrie] Chaos, i do not believe in it , honestly, nor in the creator. Determinism is low-entry to please the audience. In Science , Krimel, in physiks, uncertainty is a certainty, a proven certainty. [Krimel] So science agree with my take on the MoQ? But let me point out that the oldest parts of the Mythos. The first stories of most of the world's civilizations tell the story of order triumphing over chaos. Check it out, Greek Egyptian, Babylonian, Hebrew even Aztec. [Adrie] models are attempts to observe the order hidden under the cloths of what we expierience as chaos. [Krimel] Right models are conceptual structures, illusions that we use to filter in static patterns of value and create meaning. [Adrie] you'r a differentiated thinker , Krimel,with interests in many field and a wide-scala of visions, you do not have to search for a product. you can handle all products...and you can enter all products,...why ditch in simplifications? [Krimel] Thanks, I think that's even better than being the opposite of an idiot. [Adrie] I like to talk about cephalopods a well, will step on nobody's foot. [Krimel] I figured out long ago I don't have the math skills to get a serious about physics so I leave cosmology to cosmologist. I listen in as best I can but what I hear from them is they are still thinking about it. So until they have more to say I will leave them to it. But I did hear and interesting squid story yesterday. In his lectures on Philosophy of Mind John Campbell was talking about a behavioral theory of consciousness that says the consciousness is behavior. So if you say you are sad and you are frowning that _is_ sadness. Your private mental states _are_ what you do. Even if you could conceal your outward emotion responses we could read your mental states by seeing which neurons are firing. So for example, pain is correlated with the firing of Group C- nerve fibers and we could say that when those fibers fire. But says Campbell what about the squid? It when injured it gets injured it behaves as though it has pain. But it doesn't have Group C fibers so either it can't have pain or pain can't be Group C firing. I'm still thinking about that one but I suspect it has to do with function. After all any animal must be equipped with some kind of approach avoidance system. Like amoebas in vinegar it has to have something to motivate it away from low quality. BTW, that is also somewhat true of organic molecules. One of the things that makes biochemistry work is the some molecules are hydrophilic and some hydrophobic. Molecular love and hate relationships apply to oil as well. Some we get these interesting complex relationships between water and fats and molecules in love hate relationships imagine the probabilities! That is a very clear way to talk about this if we are following Dennett's idea of the intentional stance. It is a useful way to communicate. But if we were to take such talk seriously and attempt to justify our liberties philosophically that would be going too far. Seriously, love molecules? But what about oxytocin? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
