Hi John, I agree with your caveat .... Again just a terminological problem here. I was using "reality" and "impressions" in a GOF rational SOMist sense. Misleading if we presume these interpretations to be some objective reality, whereas in fact they are precisely created / creative to suit our human (scale and timescale) purposes. Misleading to think otherwise.
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:04 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > Well Ian, I've gotten glimpses of this from you before, and it always has, > and still does make good sense to me. Except I'd take issue somewhat with > your last statement. > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Ian Glendinning > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Interesting John, >> >> My process view says all is dynamic, static patterns are simply >> sufficiently slow moving for long enough to be noticed .... species. >> The error is to treat those named patterns as objects more real than >> the dynamics - mostly chaotic - from which they fleetingly emerge (for >> a few seconds or a few aeons). They are patterns simply because they >> are noticably less chaotic. >> >> The human perspective (of scale and time, and intellect hanging off >> the fourth floor balcony) gives us misleading impressions of stable >> reality. >> >> > I'm not sure how "misleading" our impressions of reality are. Might they > actually be creative? That's the intriguing premise of Biocentrism, and > there's a lot that jives with the MoQ in that I'd say. > > > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > >> >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:49 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: >> > People talk about DQ like its so mysterious and ineffable, but really >> it's >> > SQ that's completely incomprehensible and mysterious. Nothing is really >> > static, but it all seems like it is in the moment. What's up with that? >> > Underlying substance is more unreal than real. Patterns only exist in a >> > constantly shifting cosmos, with everything always in flux from moment to >> > moment. Static? What's static? >> > >> > According to Magnus, the one and zeros of a machine. The cold, rational >> > precision of logic. That is, our own rational systems. But these are >> > unreal. The real world pulls plugs, zaps with cosmic rays and turns to >> rust >> > in time. >> > >> > Meanwhile, the ongoing Quality which causes us to create the world in our >> > heads, it's so plain and obvious and unchanging. So unmysterious and >> > evident. >> > >> > But everybody wants to believe that SQ exists. They want to feel that >> > reality is stable. Even though we know it's not. What is it with you >> > people and your static cling? >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
