Hi Steve,
Interesting, and reminded me of asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. But fun! And I image it has created a quattuordecillion opportunities for papers to be published. And one can only wonder about those 'ideal conditions'? Interesting... I have often wondered about the difference between a static pattern of value representing a conventional truth (Tim is a human.) and a static pattern of value representing a conventional judgement (Tim is an hypocrite), or something like that. Marsha On Sep 10, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Steven Peterson wrote: > Hi All, > > 20 years after Lila, I wonder how it would be read by someone new to > Pirsig. Would the ideas seem relevent? As we get more and more > distance from the positivists, I wonder how young people today would > read Pirsig's attacks on the fact-value dichotomy. Would they wonder > just who it is Pirsig thinks he is arguing against? > Maybe this aspect of SOM that attracted most of us to the MOQ is a > straw man. If Pirsig and the other antiSomers are successful, at least > at some point it will be a straw man, right? Someday young people > just won't even know what Pirsig was going on about. At the time I got > into Pirsig, I really felt like the notion of objectivity was being > used to push values into some realm of noncognitive babble. Is that > still happening today? > > Here are some examples of the views that Pirsig attacks with regard to > the dichotomy between facts and values taken from an article on Hilary > Putnam who also made such critiques on SOM: > > http://www.philosophy.su.se/texter/putnam.htm > > (1) No statement is both evaluative and factual. > > (2) There is no logical connection between evaluative and factual statements. > > (3) Factual statements are true or false independently of any value judgments. > > (4) Facts can, and values cannot, be established beyond controversy. > > (5) Evaluative statements are neither true nor false. > > > Are these dogmas ones that people still adhere to? Or have Pirsig, > Putnam, and the other critics of the fact-value dichotomy been > successful? > > Best, > Steve > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
