> > > John: > > Or more pithily, we can just post Krimel's Axiom along with John's > Corollary > - Shit happens, and that's a GOOD thing. > > Andre: > So long as you keep in mind that this is a response to quality and does not > refer to quality itself. > > John: I'd say anything that uses "good" refers to Quality, Andre. I'm not sure what you mean. A response to Quality can be good or bad, right? You can harmonize, or be out of tune. There is choice.
I think this is a point of contention with Arlo, in a recent dialogue, which I meant to reply to but got lost somehow in the shuffle. Good can exist with freedom, because choice is as fundamental as value. If there is no choice, there is no good. Which is a point I used to see Ham argue a lot.... and it seems he has converted me. Him and his Dr. Bob (lanza, that is). > John: > > Logically equivalent to "Existence as a whole as fundamentally valuable" - > the essential heart of the MoQ - and connects with my position that the > MoQ > is a species of Absolute Idealism. > > Andre: > Absolute Idealism has little to do with Quality or with the MOQ. The MOQ > stands for experience arranged > within an evolutionary relationship. Experience is the starting point. > > John: You don't see how Quality could be construed as an absolute ideal? Because it seems that way to me. And as I've often reminded, RMP himself has a eureka moment as the conclusion to the Copleston Annotations, which illustrate he himself was struck with the harmony and congruence with the MoQ. Two mountain climbers, arriving at the same view from differing trails - neither diminishes the value of the climb of the other, rather they confirm it. As far as your, "experience arranged within an evolutionary relationship." isn't that just a fancy way of saying, life itself? as far as your "Experience is the starting point" I'd say it's also the end. So it's everything, right? Experience is all. I agree completely. That's a good thing, right Andre? And that's what I'd call, Absolutely, Idealistic. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
