hey , Mr Buchanan, been reading in the material. I was reading in "the principles of psychology" William James,The perception of things.
This extract took my attention, because of the mentioning of Chaudfontaine, and PJ Van Beneden, Both are famous here in Belgium, Chaudfontaine because it is very nice and pure, all forest and wetlandmixture,source of very pure water. It is about 250 miles from my home, I often go there , lots of Belgians do so. p Van Beneden, as mentioned , was indeed a famous professor zoology, specialised in the field of amphibians, and as i checked it out, the toad story is valid also, the Bombinator igneus is native here, and is to be found at Chaudfontaine. Very fine to see that James checked his material before publishing,very important. Nice , pure. EXTRACT " I remember that once lying abed, and having been put into a fright, I heard my own heart beat; but I took it to be one knocking at the door, and arose and opened the door oftener than once, before I discovered that the sound was in my own breast." (Inquiry, chap. Iv. Delbœuf's story is as follows: 'The illustrious P. J. van Beneden, senior, was walking one evening with a friend along a moody hill near Chaudfontaine. 'Don't you [p. 101] ,hear,' said the friend, 'the noise of a hunt on the mountain?' M. van Beneden listens and distinguishes in fact the giving-tongue of the dogs. They listen some time, expecting from one moment to another to see a deer bound by; but the voice of the dogs seems neither to recede nor approach. At last a countryman comes by, and they ask him who it is that can be hunting at this late hour. But he, pointing to some puddles of water near their feet, replies: 'Yonder little animals are what you hear.' And there were in fact a number of toads of the species Bombinator igneus. ... This batrachian emits at the pairing season a silvery or rather crystalline note. ... Sad and pure, it is a voice no wise resembling that of hounds giving chase." * i also noticed that James uses a lot of French expressions,more than one should expect. greetz, Adrie 2010/9/29 ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> > Yes , Mr Buchanan, exactly, and not only this, but also it is stunning to > discover that Stephen Hawking's Many worlds > interpretation, to be found on wiki, is originating William James, so not > only the multiple universe's, but also the many worlds > originates James signature, to roll it in....incredible.But lets keep in > mind that Hawking is completely developing only the Physikal branch, as > where James is stepping on all the fields.....Please take notice of the fact > that James is incorporating gravity to in his model > stepping into the physikal world. > > There is so much to discover , Mr Buchanan,i feel very fine that i have you > to do abstractions and investigation. > i honour your efforts and expertise highly.You show to have the capability > to push boulders away, looking underneath them > to find unexplored territory. Good!! > > > Love to read more about the celtic sjaman/shaman, we write it Sjamaan, love > it.love thes facts, i own a tooth of a masthodont > He is displayed in the town city hall here,but i'm the owner.All details > matter! > > i am currently reading material about" fission date tracking" incredible > stuff, awsome.superb term to google. > > Find the nuggets' (agree on your mappingwork)will study it. > Adrie > > > 2010/9/29 david buchanan <[email protected]> > > >> Hey Adrie: >> >> It seems to me that James's list of sub-universes can be mapped onto the >> four levels of the MOQ, at least roughly. >> >> (1) The world of sense, or of physical 'things' as we instinctively >> apprehend them, with such qualities as heat, color, and sound, and such >> 'forces' as life, chemical affinity, gravity, electricity, all existing as >> such within or on the surface of the things. >> >> This (#1) almost matches the MOQ's description of the inorganic level - as >> we perceive it. >> >> >> (2) The world of science, or of physical things as the learned conceive >> them, with secondary qualities and 'forces' (in the popular sense) excluded, >> and nothing real but solids and fluids and their 'laws' (i.e., customs) of >> motion. (3) The world of ideal relations, or abstract truths believed or >> believable by all, and expressed in logical, mathematical, metaphysical, >> ethical, or aesthetic propositions. >> >> These two (#2 and #3) are both intellectual level static patterns, >> although #3 is more abstract and less empirically based. >> >> >> (4) The world of 'idols of the tribe,' illusions or prejudices common to >> the race. All educated people recognize these as forming one sub-universe. >> The motion of the sky round the earth, for example, belongs to this world. >> That motion is not a recognized item of any of the other worlds; but as an >> 'idol of the tribe' it really exists. For certain philosophers 'matter' >> exists only as an idol of the tribe. For science, the 'secondary qualities' >> of matter are but 'idols of the tribe.' (5) The various supernatural worlds, >> the Christian heaven and hell, the world of the Hindoo mythology, the world >> of Swedenborg's *visa et nudita*, etc. Each of these is a consistent system, >> with definite relations among its own parts. Neptune's trident, e.g., has no >> status of reality whatever in the Christian heaven; but within the classic >> Olympus certain definite things are true of it, whether one believe in the >> reality of the classic mythology as a whole or not. The various worlds of >> deliberate fa >> ble may be ranked with these worlds of faith -- the world of the *Iliad*, >> that of *King Lear*, of the *Pickwick Pacers*, etc. >> >> >> I'd put both of these (#4 and #5) on the social level. Tribalism and myth >> still rule in some hearts. We see it today in the patriotism and literalism >> of today's religious right but in terms of evolution it goes all the way >> back to our pre-human ancestors. We can only speculate, but I'd guess the >> social level began to emerge out of the biological level several hundred >> thousand years ago, maybe more. (The oldest stone tools are dated at 2.6 >> million years, the first USE of fire is guessed to be around 1.5 million >> years ago and the oldest evidence of actually making fire is only 15,000 >> years old. They've found graves as old as 60,000 years.) >> >> It's off the topic but I think it's interesting enough to share: I just >> learned that the world's oldest dope stash is about 2,700 year old and >> weighs in at nearly two pounds. This enviable amount of marijuana was found >> in a grave in the Gobi desert. This stash was tested by scientists who >> determined that it was carefully cultivated for its psychoactive ingredients >> and the corpse belonged to a blue-eyed, 45-year-old Celtic Shaman. Two >> Pounds of the stuff! They acted as if they thought it was important to get >> high in the afterlife too. How does one become a shaman these days? Is there >> a grad school for that? Can you get a Ph.D. in being stoned? (Yea, >> California, I'm looking at you.) I wonder what campus parties are like at >> the University of Cheech and Chong? >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
