Hi Andre, 

> There is stability in the patterns as they denote repeated arrangements.
> Marsha, by using
> the 'ever changing' rhetoric makes a 'stable' discussion impossible by arguing
> for a
> relativism based on this 'ever changing'. This makes any discussion, any walk
> down the
> street, any talk of a tree ridiculous as from the first moment to the next the
> discussion,
> the walk (my body, my shoes), the street, the tree has changed.

I was not following the discussion that closely but agree that stable
discussions with Marsha are extremely difficult. But when you say...

> The 'properties' may change but the value is 'stable'.

I would say the PATTERN is stable if we can recognize it even though all the
values or qualities that make it up are constantly changing. Clouds are
organic patterns of value which continuously change. They are a perfect
metaphor for all patterns because they remind us that all patterns of value
are "ever changing" though stable enough for our perception. Or not. In
which case the sky is clear.

 
> PS, I thought it was you Dave, who referred to Austin's 'Zen and the Brain'. I
> am chewing on it.
> Thank you for attending me to it.

Your welcome. It is definitely a vigorous chew.

Dave


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