Mary said: It's not possible to give an example of an unpattern. That's kind of the point. You see, SOM is all about patterns. Explaining patterns, examining patterns, comparing and contrasting patterns. By definition, SOM can't address an 'unpattern'. The reason we have so much trouble communicating the essence of 'unpatterns' to SOMists is precisely because they cannot be addressed in the realm of patterns. The first cut at Dynamic Quality is experience. In the instant we've 'experienced', it becomes one of 2 things in the second cut - a subject or an object. That's unfortunate, because once we've sliced things up as subjects and objects, we can no longer talk about Quality, or Values, or Morals. We're hard-wired that way. Not our fault, just our disability.
Marsha said: I think within the MoQ, the fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is comprised of intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a ?thing? or an ?object of analysis.? The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity. Andre: Now it is my turn to laugh...if only it wasn't so sad. That after all these years you two are still hopelessly confused about the MOQ and display absolutely no understanding of what Pirsig has accomplished. To be so lost at the 'first slice' level... . A shame really. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
