On Oct 11, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: > Mary said: > > It's not possible to give an example of an unpattern. That's kind of the > point. You see, SOM is all about patterns. Explaining patterns, examining > patterns, comparing and contrasting patterns. By definition, SOM can't > address an 'unpattern'. The reason we have so much trouble communicating > the essence of 'unpatterns' to SOMists is precisely because they cannot be > addressed in the realm of patterns. The first cut at Dynamic Quality is > experience. In the instant we've 'experienced', it becomes one of 2 things > in the second cut - a subject or an object. That's unfortunate, because > once we've sliced things up as subjects and objects, we can no longer talk > about Quality, or Values, or Morals. We're hard-wired that way. Not our > fault, just our disability. > > Marsha said: > I think within the MoQ, the fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is > comprised of > intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns function is > as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and > manipulation. > Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns process from a > subject/object > conceptual framework creating false boundaries that give the illusion of > independence as a ?thing? or an ?object of analysis.? The fourth level is a > formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for > rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any > subjectivity. > > Andre: > Now it is my turn to laugh...if only it wasn't so sad. That after all these > years you two > are still hopelessly confused about the MOQ and display absolutely no > understanding of what > Pirsig has accomplished. To be so lost at the 'first slice' level... . A > shame really.
Marsha: Laughing harder still that you think you are to be considered a MoQ authority!!! ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
