amen, brother, stay coherent. 2010/10/19 118 <[email protected]>
> Hi Ian, > > Yea, it's not new that there is a lot of crap in the bible. It is more the > interpretation that is crap. The bible is full of words that are used > righteously alright. Have had one thrown at me. > > Mark > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Ian Glendinning > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Me too Mark, that's why I phrased it that way originally .... "do" is > what > > get's things done, clearly. > > > > When you do unto others to get them off their arse you are indeed "doing > as > > you would be done by" .... if you were sitting around on your arse, you > > would value others giving you reasons to get up and .... just do it. (But > > you'd probably draw the line at them poking you in the eye with a sharp > > stick ? You wouldn't like it, so you probably wouldn't do it .... > > proactively.) > > > > Ian > > PS not sure why it's news that there is a lot of crap in the bible ? > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Just thought I'd jump in. > > > > > > An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, something like that is also in > the > > > bible. The Buddhist version seems pretty bland to me, it would not > > result > > > in any creation. There would be no pushy entanglement resulting in > > > something new. I could get into the economic benefits of haggling over > > > trade rather than isolationism, but that is so boring. So, I am more > in > > > favor of the doing rather than the not doing. Do unto others to get > them > > > off their arse. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Ian Glendinning > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Andre, > > > > > > > > Anybody suggesting "We've been kicked in the ass, so we'll have to > > > > kick back" is suggesting getting even .... a complete perversion of > "do > > > as > > > > you would be done by". > > > > > > > > Would = would wish to be. > > > > > > > > It's just a simple statement of the Buddhist (Vedic and earlier) > golden > > > > rule > > > > "don't do as you would not be done by if you prefer". It's a > proactive > > > > statement about living life. > > > > > > > > Who's the cynic ? > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Andre Broersen < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ian to Craig and Horse: > > > > > > > > > > Apart from hoping people recognize "harm" when they (don't) see it, > > > this > > > > is > > > > > simply the golden rule "do as you would be done by" ... core to the > > > > origins > > > > > of many (most) moral traditions. > > > > > > > > > > Andre: > > > > > Yes, and very Western as well and to be cynical about it, this is > the > > > > > motivational feeding stuff > > > > > of any tough business person in our competitive world. (I'll knife > > your > > > > > back and you'll knife > > > > > mine), and many not so tough people I might add. > > > > > > > > > > I was laid off once because the company I worked for went into > > > > receivership > > > > > ('taken over' by the bank). > > > > > The way the boss explained it (in an apologetic way):'We've been > > kicked > > > > in > > > > > the ass, so we'll have to kick > > > > > back'. I understood completely but I am still a bit vague as to why > I > > > was > > > > > kicked as well( and a few > > > > > others I might add). > > > > > > > > > > I like the 'Eastern' 'enlightened' variant a bit better which Steve > > > Hagen > > > > > gives in his > > > > > "Buddhism, plain and simple': 'Do not do unto others what you would > > not > > > > > have done unto you'.(p 90) > > > > > > > > > > It is passive and seems more positive than the moralistic 'do as > you > > > > would > > > > > be done by' which implies > > > > > you should do something or move into action or something...but > what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > > > Archives: > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > > Archives: > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
