Steve, This is exactly the same point as the other thread ... "Science has no values. Not officially"
As you say Pirsig's point was not to put science down, but to point out where it needed to improve its act. Pragmatic anti-skepticism, as you said in the other thread. Ian On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:50 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Steven Peterson > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hi Platt, > > > > Platt to Mark: > > > I couldn't agree with you more. You have deftly revealed what's behind > > the > > > curtain of science's claim to "truth." What's true is what Pirsig > > observed: > > > "Science has no values. Not officially." Just as it is impossible for a > > > calculator to calculate itself, it's impossible for a discipline that > has > > no > > > values to comprehend values. > > > > Steve: > > You missed the point as usual. In the bit you refer to here Pirsig > > tried to get science to recognize that it actually does have values > > not to argue that we ought to get rid of science or remind science to > > stay in its value-neutral place. Instead he wanted to expand the > > concept of rationality--a root expansion of reason--so it can deal > > with values and so values can be opened to rational inquiry. What you > > are arguing against is pretty much Pirsig's main philosophical project > > in his two books. > > > > Mark: > What point? Values create Science, Quality creates Truth. What you are > suggesting is that science define values. Again, you have got it > backwards. > And stop bringing in Pirsig for support. You are responsible for your > ideas, take responsibility. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
