Thanks! But what, then, would the use of MoQ be? Because what Pirsig propose is that the patterns of static moral are different for these different levels (and I would add that they are by necessity). Of course you could go back to where the first book ended, saying that just the intuiting should guide - but I'm not sure it's useful. But of course, it is because of the usefulness of MoQ that I came to like the second book much better than the first. So guess that what you're really interested in is what in MoQ was termed dynamic quality. I think you really shouldn't define that, because by defining it, you propose to know what it is, and then it wouldn't be dynamic or transcendental or whatever you may wish to call it. I think that the ability to continuously reform yourself is the only "pattern" of dynamic to be found. You just have to be open minded. That is what I myself must do now, and I do it every time I found some new concept which I like. That is: once I've internalized and integrated a new concept I force myself to look at the opposition to that concept and alternatives. Saying: "I really don't need to study this, because I already know it's wrong", would call the ultimate method of self-deception and self-indoctrination. And it would be static, rather than dynamic.
Have you, by the way, read "Island" by Aldous Huxley? It is his third course of development, which he in the later foreword to "Brave New World" says he wished he had written, as an alternative to those two depicted in that first book. /A -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ham Priday Sent: den 25 oktober 2010 09:20 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value Welcome Alex, Hi Mark -- Thanks for responding to my post. As you've both said a lot within an empirical framework, perhaps the best way for me to comment is to select the statements that most interest me. *** I would say that, like Mr. Pirsig, you have defined too many categories. It doesn't matter (for my purposes) whether the phenomena we experience are biological, physical, or electromagnetic. Such intellectual classifications are only useful when the objective is to apply universal principles to practical solutions. Belief systems, individual freedom, social justice, virtue and morality are not derived from natural law but from the values we share in common as human beings. Nature has favored us with the instincts, nutrients, and rationality to survive and procreate. But until we understand our unique position and role in existence (which is a not a scientific but a philosophical challenge) we shall never achieve the ideal culture that our value-sensibility aspires to. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
