If the idea of a duality between MoQ and ordinary science is useful, then you should be able to map from ordinary science the concept of entropy to MoQ, somehow, I believe. The negation of entropy is information. And that is the same as the degree of freedom of energy, and the ways a structure could be decomposed. You also have that something with low entropy should be useful with a low amount of measurement, while something with a higher amount requires a higher amount of measurement. But I guess, what first need to be defined is a scale.
/A -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 118 Sent: den 27 oktober 2010 01:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value Hi /A, To start with, dynamic and static quality. Mark On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Alexander Jarnroth < [email protected]> wrote: > Interesting approach. But just what kinds of words were you considering? > > /A > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 118 > Sent: den 26 oktober 2010 18:56 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value > > Hi A, > > Yes, I think you make a good point. The mathematics of language is > something that I am interested in. The Qabalah deals with this, so I > have been studying its principles in a superficial way. In this way I > can get a better understanding of such a thing. Recently in a series > of exchanges between Ham and me, the formulation of Quality was > brought up. The idea was to assign constants, variables, and > operators to terms in MOQ. The approach would be similar to the one > physics uses to describe the universe. They are all analogies, and > there may be ways to make the two approaches, verbal and mathematical, > interchangeable. It does get tricky because of the different > formulations used by each person in the definition of words. This is > kind of where we got stuck. > > Cheers, > Mark > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Alexander Jarnroth < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I would rather say that "a logic" is a specified way of assigning > > relationships among what is termed "entities". In formal logic, > > which is a Boolean algebra, as mentioned in another context, you > > have the two operators, or relationships, "and" and "or" - entities > > which values can either be one (unity) or zero (that is true or > > false) - and the complement > > (negation) to a given statement. Implications, that is "if p then > > q"-statements, could be viewed as "not-p or q". > > I think these other logics are intelligible enough to be termed "logics" > > even though you can't formalize them in the same way. > > > > I came, however, to think about another thing concerning labels and > > values, in the case, though, in relation to set theory, which is > > equivalent to formal logic. But to put it simple, arithmetic > > concerns values, but algebra concerns labels. So you could say that > > you assign labels, then abstract them, perform operations on them, > > and then you could reassign values to the labels any way you want. > > Thus, a mathematic concept derived from some setting, could most > > often find applications in other quite different contexts. > > Talking about other values, these abstract concepts must be > > intellectual values, but also, somehow, correspondence to other > > values: Boolean algebra being a good example. > > With words, however, it's quite different, because if you try to do > > the same with words you would get the logic of poetics, which have a > > social meaning, but most often lack correspondences to the outside > > of the social sphere (but perhaps not, if combined with the logic of > > practice, which would be a kind of expressive mapping from the > > psychosocial sphere to the external world). > > I think there actually can be some things into this. Pirsig himself > > tries to use the logic of poetics in some of his work (this > > reconstructed Indo-European being rather poetic, than etymological - > > probably there has never actually been anything like > > "proto-Indo-European" - it's just a constructed set of references, > > which could be useful in comparative linguistics). > > > > /A > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 118 > > Sent: den 26 oktober 2010 01:18 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value > > > > Hi A, > > > > Thanks for the response and wonderful ideas. > > > > Yes, I do not want to get into how logic can be defined, so I use it > > only in terms of its cause and effect, or if/then, as directed by > > words based on assumptions. I suppose one could describe a type of > > logic coming from poetry, but I prefer just to use such a term in > > its quasi-scientific sense. > > Ritual could be interpreted as logical but, this just confuses > > things for me. Of course, that is limiting the definition, but just > > makes it > simpler. > > Other kinds of logic can certainly contain a modifier such as you > > present with the term poetic logic. > > > > We have discussed memes in this forum, but I don't think anyone has > > brought up Falon Gong, but I have to say, I have not read the > > complete history of MOQ. For me labeling can be seen as posts in > > the ground which are then interconnected with strings to form a web. > > And what a > beautiful web it is! > > The important thing for me to keep in mind, is that in the end, > > this web is not connected to anything, but floating and growing on its own. > > And, of course, what is the spider? > > > > The web itself is based on so called intuition. The view I take is > > that all subject object metaphysics is indeed fruitful in terms of > > creating meaning and thus imparting reconciliation with what we are > > presented with. > > However, > > it should be viewed in that context and not pretend to be something more. > > We are dealing with analogies and analogies of analogies. Yes, > > technology should not be abandoned, we are still in primitive times > > and have only just begun. We do, however, need to take a break now > > and again, and let wisdom catch up. > > > > You will also notice that sometimes Quality is brought in to justify > > certain views or systems rather than to describe them. I believe > > this should also be viewed with skepticism. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
