Hi Marsha, My writing may sometimes not be clear. I was opening the discussion as to what are the boundaries of the intellectual level. Everybody seems to have a different understanding, and then there's dmb. What are the boundaries?
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:28 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Greetings Mark, > > Not sure I've understood your question correctly, but I understand > intellectual > patterns of value to be a process of moving away from social restraint and > a > away from an external unknown. > > Any discussion will be limited as I am allowed to write only two posts per > day > on my interpretation of the Intellectual Level because it has the level as > being > based on an understanding that reality is equal to self and external > objects (SOM). > > > Marsha > > > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:56 AM, 118 wrote: > > > Hi Marsh, > > I like this, a process approach. Defining though interaction and > > congealment. > > > > I would pose the following for discussion, which would be more of a > boundary > > approach. That is, what is it that is forming the intellectual level > from > > the outside? This would be similar to defining a lake by its boundaries > > instead of by the cohesive interaction of water molecules through > hydrogen > > bonding and other principles. Such an approach can also be taken in > > descriptions of evolution. That is, defining the morphology of species, > not > > by the expression of DNA itself, but by looking at the environmental > factors > > which control such expression. > > > > So, one approach as you put is to describe the process of abstract > concept > > manipulation. The other approach would be to describe something like > Group > > Consciousness (like Carl Jung), that provides boundaries for the > expression > > of the intellectual level. Of course such boundaries can have grey > areas, > > and are up to interpretation. So, my question, is what do you see the > > intellectual level filling (for lack of a better word)? > > > > This is not a trick or leading question, since I do not have a ready > > comeback. I am simply opening it up for discussion. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Greetings, > >> > >> My understanding/interpretation of the Intellectual Level is based on > >> reification. The fourth level is comprised of static patterns of value > such > >> as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these > >> patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their > rational > >> analysis and manipulation. Reification decontextualizes... > Intellectual > >> patterns process from a subject/object point-of-view creating false > >> boundaries that give the concept an illusion of having independence as > a > >> “thing” or an “object of analysis.” The fourth level is a formalized > >> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, > >> objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity > like > >> emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study > and > >> research in an unbiased and rational manner. > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
