Hi Mark, The boundary of the Intellectual Level is beyond my experience. I have been exposed to some intellectual patterns, but not all, and I have no interest in deciding which pattern goes in what bucket. I am more interested in determining the nature of all patterns: ever-changing, interdependent and impermanent.
Marsha On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:10 PM, 118 wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > My writing may sometimes not be clear. I was opening the discussion as to > what are the boundaries of the intellectual level. Everybody seems to have > a different understanding, and then there's dmb. What are the boundaries? > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:28 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Greetings Mark, >> >> Not sure I've understood your question correctly, but I understand >> intellectual >> patterns of value to be a process of moving away from social restraint and >> a >> away from an external unknown. >> >> Any discussion will be limited as I am allowed to write only two posts per >> day >> on my interpretation of the Intellectual Level because it has the level as >> being >> based on an understanding that reality is equal to self and external >> objects (SOM). >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:56 AM, 118 wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsh, >>> I like this, a process approach. Defining though interaction and >>> congealment. >>> >>> I would pose the following for discussion, which would be more of a >> boundary >>> approach. That is, what is it that is forming the intellectual level >> from >>> the outside? This would be similar to defining a lake by its boundaries >>> instead of by the cohesive interaction of water molecules through >> hydrogen >>> bonding and other principles. Such an approach can also be taken in >>> descriptions of evolution. That is, defining the morphology of species, >> not >>> by the expression of DNA itself, but by looking at the environmental >> factors >>> which control such expression. >>> >>> So, one approach as you put is to describe the process of abstract >> concept >>> manipulation. The other approach would be to describe something like >> Group >>> Consciousness (like Carl Jung), that provides boundaries for the >> expression >>> of the intellectual level. Of course such boundaries can have grey >> areas, >>> and are up to interpretation. So, my question, is what do you see the >>> intellectual level filling (for lack of a better word)? >>> >>> This is not a trick or leading question, since I do not have a ready >>> comeback. I am simply opening it up for discussion. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mark >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> My understanding/interpretation of the Intellectual Level is based on >>>> reification. The fourth level is comprised of static patterns of value >> such >>>> as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these >>>> patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their >> rational >>>> analysis and manipulation. Reification decontextualizes... >> Intellectual >>>> patterns process from a subject/object point-of-view creating false >>>> boundaries that give the concept an illusion of having independence as >> a >>>> “thing” or an “object of analysis.” The fourth level is a formalized >>>> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, >>>> objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity >> like >>>> emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study >> and >>>> research in an unbiased and rational manner. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
