Hi Tim, About art and its lead as you mention below, I thought I would add something. There have been a few books written that portray art as preceeding scientific theories. The premise is that what is depicted in art later becomes depicted by physics. Now this may sound kind of supernatural, and indeed one has to use his imagination a bit when reading the books. But it is not difficult to see and the books are convincing. If this is true, what does this mean?
To go there, one must view physics as a description of reality. In fact one even has to consider physics to be a painting describing our sense of reality. This can be a hard leap if there is a lot of indoctrination through education into the reality of science. However, physics puts things together as a system. Whether or not this is the only system possible is doubtful since even accepted physics can be argued with convincingly by other physicists. However, the nature of agreement in science is pretty strict, and usually those that do not agree do not receive funding from the government. Gone are the days of the rich scientist. So if we accept that physics paints a picture, where does that picture come from? Well it must come from our interaction with nature (or reality). In Science, there are certain theories that seem to come out of nowhere, but develop rapidly and are carried forth to interpret data. This interaction with reality doesn't only happen in the field of physics but everywhere of course. It is possible, that some artists have a very sensitive feeling for this interaction. Therefore it is possible that certain art can precede the scientific interpretation. What does this mean? Another way to look at this is that as humans we are responding to Quality (or whatever word you want to use}. As such, the Quality we respond to is the Quality of the moment (maybe it is sun spots or the juxtaposition of stars who's gravity has impact on the mind). In other words, Quality pulls out of us a certain understanding, in the same way that a wind would pull out the sensation of cold. This may sound mysterious and implausible, however, if you look at history this way, many things make sense. For example the co-arising of pyramids in different places. The co-arising of religions in different places that seem similar (many religions arose around 500 BC to 100 AD), in other words, people began to think differently. The rise and fall of civilizations seems like a tide. These do not happen necessarily through communication, but possibly in response to something. Not everything needs to be explained by cause and effect as we know it, and history is very biased by a few scholars. We have no idea how the gravity affects us, but many believe in astrology. The Zodiac symbols represent the juxtaposition of the Earth, the Sun and the rest of the universe in a yearly cycle; of course it also brings in the planets and such. We also do not know how electromagnetism or neutrinos affect us so anything is possible. Now, I'm not saying this is the correct way of interpretation, I am simply pointing to another way of looking at what happens. Sometimes this frees up the mind a bit. Before I say something is impossible, I try to think about it a bit and imagine it to be real. Then try to interpret things in that way. OK, so I'm a bit nuts, but it's fun. It's not all that serious, just the mind wandering around a bit. There are many ways to think. I could twist your mind a bit away from evolution as reality too, maybe. I am a biologist after all. Cheers, Mark On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:26 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > about art, and its being the leader, well, I'm skeptical. I can > understand beauty as an accompaniment, and even perhaps as the quickest > (maybe fear is faster though) route to active perception of what's > 'important', but I don't see beauty in itself as a sufficient goal. I > haven't spoken with Platt yet, but I wonder... nevermind. The garden of > eden was great and all, but man needed the bone of his bone, and flesh > of his flesh. And, the garden of eden was great and all, but God was > building up to Man - if I can use this resource. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
