Alexander, an addition, Tim One thing has come up since I last replied to you; it might be of benefit if you are still considering it. I had got into a conversation with Ham, and he suggested the Pirsig essay on "subjects, objects, data, and value". It can be found on the MoQ website. I thought this really had some confirming quality to my thoughts about the 'faithful I'.
"In the Metaphysics of Quality the world is composed of three things: mind, matter and Quality. Because something is not located in the object does not mean that it has to be located in your mind. Quality cannot be independently derived form either mind or matter. But it can be derived from the relationship of mind and matter with each other. Quality occurs at the point at which subject and object meet. Quality is not a thing. It is an event. It is the event at which the subject becomes aware of the object. And because without objects there can be no subject, quality is the event at which awareness of both subjects and objects is made possible. Quality is not just the result of a collision between subject and object. The very existence of subject and object themselves is deduced from the Quality event. The Quality event is the cause of the subjects and objects, which are then mistakenly presumed to be the cause of the Quality!" Tim -- [email protected] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
