Interesting.
On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Marsha] > Did RMP say that dmb is the only "philosopher" that understands the MoQ? > > [Arlo] > And so begins the carnival mirror. I'll play, for the moment. To answer, no. > I believe he named Ant as well. > > [Marsha] > And in general, is dmb any more a "philosopher" than you, or Mark, or Dan, or > John, or Ron? > > [Arlo] > Ah, methinks me sees the a reflection of the green devil in that mirror? > > I believe, to get back to what was actually said and not this silly mirror, > that Pirsig believes DMB is one of two people who understand the MOQ the > most, and I think this is a repeat of what was said in the DVD. Along with > DMB, I think that list should most definitely be expanded to include David > Granger, and I personally would be tempted to make a nod here too to Matthew > Crawford (Shop Class as Soul Craft) even if his primary emphasis was ZMM. On > my personal short list, I'd also include Horse and Dan. Over the years I've > found there respective understanding of Pirisg to be unparalleled. > > You know, of course, that this does not make you or me or Mark or Ron and > John, or Pierce, or Nietzsche, or Hegel or Kant, or Plato, or James, or > Johnny Lydon or Bugs Bunny "any less a philosopher". You know, of course, > that Pirsig was not naming who is and who is not "a philosopher". What he was > doing was pointing out who he thinks understands his ideas with the most > accuracy. > > [Marsha] > If RMP said dmb has a firm grip of his ideas, does that mean absolutely every > aspects? > > [Arlo] > I'm going to break out of this silly carnival mirror again. The context here > was that you repeatedly called DMB's understanding of the MOQ "shallow", it > was not about whether he is right on every single detail. To that, I think I > would say that Pirsig obviously does not think DMB's understanding of his > work is "shallow", and I would think Pirsig would know. > > [Marsha] > Does that mean that no one but dmb has a firm grip on his ideas? > > [Arlo] > Back into the carnival mirror again. Okay then, no, he named Ant as well. > > [Marsha] > What is a psychological issue within the MoQ? > > [Arlo] > Per this context, when hostility and acrimony are a barrier to intellectual > patterns. In this case, after repeatedly doing nothing but accusing DMB of > having a "shallow" understanding of the MOQ, when he finally breaks and > presents a supportive word from Pirsig that shows the exact opposite to be > true, you STILL are doing nothing but acting out of hostility, now trying to > twist the context into whether DMB is right about every detail, about whether > other people are "philosophers", etc, all of which have nothing whatsoever to > do with what has been said, just ways you are looking for to keep attacking > DMB. > > [Marsha] > I have not dismissed dmb's last post on relativism, but I responded. I am > now awaiting his response. > > [Arlo] > "Charlie Brown, I have a great idea. I'll hold the football like this, and > you come running up and kick it..." > "HA! I wouldn't try that for a million dollars! You won't hold it.. You'll > pull it away, and I'll kill myself!" > "WAAH! YOU DON'T TRUST ME! You think I'm no good! You have no faith in me!" > "Don't cry, Lucy.. I apologize.. I'm sorry.. Please, don't cry... You hold > the ball, and I'll come running up and kick it.." > ... > "AAUGH!" > ... > WUMP! > ... > "Never listen to a woman's tears, Charlie Brown!" > (Peanuts, Friday September 30, 2005) > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
