[Mark] MOQ should not hit a dead end because of a few individuals. [Arlo] On the contrary, I think the efforts of Ant and others, including Horse, DMB, Dan, Matt, Khoo... and David Granger, and of course Ron DiSanto and Tom Steele and Henry Gurr (who I forgot to mention last time, to my chagrin), and Matthew Crawford, are doing more for enriching and evolving a Quality Metaphysics than 95% of the noise that masquerades here as "interpreting" what we know Pirsig "meant" above his own protestations otherwise.
By definition, of course, "the MOQ" cannot hit a dead end. Evolution happens. You can't stop it. That's the theme of the MOQ. Things get better. No "individual" is capable of stopping this. But the greater narrative will move forward, as people respond to Pirsig's voice in the dialogue with their own ideas, their own thoughts about where he was right and where he was wrong. DMB cannot stop you, Mark, from offering something you think is better than what Pirsig offered. If Bo's ideas are truly superior to Pirsig's, then they will "win out". If you think a "theistic MOQ" is superior to Pirsig's "anti-theistic MOQ", and people agree, then that is the path evolution will take. The only "dead end", as I see, is the continued need to validate "interpretation" through the lens of legitimizing authority. As long as "contrarians" think the best path is to "prove" Pirsig "really meant" to agree with them, even knowing that when he said otherwise he is just a "weak-interpreter of his own ideas", then I see the narrative forever stalled. But, sadly, we rarely see legitimate dissention here, even Bo failed and ran from the idea that he should have to demonstrate why his ideas are better than Pirsig's, instead forever trapped in arguing that his ideas ARE Pirsig's (Pirsig being too dumb to see this). People want to prove that "Pirsig's MOQ is theistic", as if Pirsig was too dumb to see what his ideas meant, instead of articulating why a theistic MOQ is superior to the anti-theistic MOQ offered by Pirsig. Even you, Mark, for the life of me I can't figure out where you think Pirsig was wrong, and what you are offering instead. I read your posts and I see you condemn "the old guard", but I can't see anything you offer in their place, let alone something "better". If I missed that, perhaps you can take a moment to give me the bullet points. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
