Hi Adrie, I was talking metaphysics, not physics. The reality as you state below creates more than the sum of its parts. That is human creativity. A literal world is fine, but abstract thought provides another view.
Cheers, Mark On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:40 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> wrote: > The moon was always there. > It is a false observation to believe your eye's or your senses. > The other observables/observers are keeping the moon within reality. > Think about the gravity induced by the moon,reflecting in the tides here on > earth, > The moon is the parent of this tidal effect , and by this tidal > precence,the > moon stays in the range of observable reality,indirect , but not lesser. > > Takes away the mysticism, keeping the reality,pragmatism,radikal empiricism > greetz, Adrie > > > 2010/12/2 118 <[email protected]> > > > Hi Marsha, > > > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > I understand. Buddhism offers rationality AND meditation to understand > > > and experience for yourself. I believe what you are pointing to is > that > > > Buddhism is empty, Emptiness is empty. Buddhism, in its rationality > > > (wisdom), > > > does not escape the reification process. Buddhism, too, is a pointing > > to > > > the Moon. > > > > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > [Mark] > > Yes, for communication and teaching, which was one of Buddha's clinging > > qualities, things much be transformed into words. Such words are fingers > > pointing. For whatever reason I don't like the Moon analogy (any more). > > It > > implies that there is a moon. I believe more that there are fingers > > pointing, nothing more. But then, I may change my mind tomorrow. If > this > > moon is enlightenment, then we are already on the moon. Maybe we should > > turn the lights on to realize it. Maybe its fingers pointing to the > light > > switch. Maybe the moon is pointing to the fingers on the light switch. > Or > > the Moon is created by the switching of a light. OK, now I am confused. > > I've got blisters on my fingers! > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
