Mark, Arlo,
> > [Mark] As it turns out, evolutionary jumps come from the inside, but they > need environmental pressure to occur. It is an interaction, > entanglement if you want. This is of course just an analogy from > biology. Pressure on the academy has to come from those who are > funding it, and that would be us. [Tim] point noted. Thank you. > [Mark] > Yes, you are pointing to a growth concept here. The intellect serves > the society, not the other way around. I think there is some > confusion about this around here. It would seem our current political > theoreticians are confused as well. [Tim] hmmmm.... which political theoreticians are you speaking of? > [Mark] > Actually it is a great place for mavericks. Just look at Phaedrus. I > agree with Arlo on this (below). [Tim] maybe I was misleading. perhaps when you say 'mavericks' I said 'great tortoises'. Either way... > [SNIP] > > [Tim] > > Is it possible to have a society that does not force individuals to > > compromise > > (dynamic) Quality? > > > > [Arlo] > > I think your question is oxymoronic, as "society" is by definition static > > patterns of value. The closest analogy I can think of otherwise is a state > > of > > pure anarchy, but the freedoms we enjoy that permit intellectual activity > > would > > rapidly disappear. Some balance between static and Dynamic Quality is what > > moves evolution forward. > > [Mark] > I think the concept of "force" is wrong here. Society grows. [Tim] well, 'force' is exactly the word I intend. The preeminent social pattern is the government, which works only by 'force', or the threat thereof. > > > > [Tim] > > Or, is society such a constraint on dynamic (and intellectual) Quality that > > we > > will forever be nibbling at the margins? > > [Mark] > If we construe the concept of constraint rather than growth, then bad > things happen. How big can the government get? I think the idea is > that in the end everybody can work for the government, and get what he > need to live. Platt and I are against this. (Hope you agree with > this Platt, I am making assumptions, but I consider you to relate to > this world as I do). > > > Cheers, > Mark > [Tim] I don't think I got what you were getting at with the distinction between growth and constraint; it seems opposite from your use just above... Tim -- [email protected] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
