[Craig] Self-reference may be an inherent feature of symbolic systems, but that does not imply that paradox is.
[Arlo] The fundamental paradox, as described by Goedel, is simply that any symbolic system powerful enough to provide meaning contains is self-referential. The MOQ, for example, is part of the reality it describes. It is the fallacy of objectivism to think we can stand "outside" the system and make proclamations about what it contains. [Craig] Existence cannot exhibit contradictions. Existence can only exhibit truths & truths cannot be contradictory. [Arlo] I'm not entirely sure of the jump here from "paradox" to "contradiction", but my point was that "paradox" is an inherent feature of symbolically-represented experience, it derives from the encoding. As such, "paradox" is a part of experience. I do think your statement "existence cannot exhibit" is way too objectivist. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
